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Can true whitehat really be done?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by wannabie, Mar 22, 2011.

  1. wannabie

    wannabie Elite Member

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    I'm doing Seo for a highly competitive keyword, I have always hated buying links and managed to stay clear by but am i shooting myself in the foot?

    I'm using forums, quality articles, weekly press releases and guest posts but now I am starting to think why bother!

    All of my keyword are going up, most on page one and held for ages but this one keyword goes up to like 20 and sticks for couple of weeks and drops to like 30 or 40

    Should I just buy links?

    Google have just brought on of our competitors so that's the reason I have held from buying links as I don't know what they are doing

    I have only really been doing offpage since start of feb so am I just getting to obsessed?
     
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  3. wannabie

    wannabie Elite Member

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    I have to be whitehat!
     
  4. Autumn

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    IMHO the only way to have success with true whitehat techniques is to make truly awesome viral content that people will link to willingly. These days however, there is a strong element of social media manipulation to get anything to go viral in the first place, so it begs the question whether there is any such thing as white anymore, or just varying shades of grey...

    I would personally start buying links if you have the budget and if nothing else is working. It works great and always will work great because you get one ways d0follow links with the anchor text you want and there's really no way to detect it. I would add that buying links isn't really whitehat, but as long as you keep it on the down low, don't get dumb site wides or anything with 'sponsored link' next to it, you should be golden.
     
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  5. wannabie

    wannabie Elite Member

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    Cheers for your reply!

    I think I knew the answer really but wanted to hear it fro
    Someone else :)

    The thing that's putting me off is that goo gle has brought one o our competition so surely they will be watching hard?
     
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    link building is grey hat.
    no legit way to build links, unles you have great content and slowly good sites will link you in their blog posts and etc.

    but, at the same time, even with great content, no one would find you thru google.
    becoz, you won't rank without proper linking.

    what you can do,
    social bookmark and do video promotion if you really wanna be white hat.
    alot of good ranking sites are grey hat.
    even my site is ranking no.1 for a keyword and it is all greyhat and it is there till now.
     
  7. CyrusVirus

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    chances are, you probably just lost alot of backlinks if you had any, just because of the linkfarms and blog farms out there. sb blast, all that crap, G drowned them, maybe your backlinks were killed on the sites that got killed ?
    not sure. just a theory
     
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    @Wannabie, I would give you a simple suggestion. Just stick to basics of white hat. Contuniue to build high quality backlinks and backlinks and wait. It will go up. White hat is a patience game. Try to get more quality backlinks and you would be in good shape.

    I had one keyword like that and the same problem, but i didn't gave up. It took huge time and work for me to get to page 1 but do you whats the benefit, i am on first page for more than a year now.

    Best of luck
    regards
     
  9. wannabie

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    @Cyrus -

    The site in question has lost thousands, most of them were paid footer links or sites with loads of unrelated OBL!

    When I took over I started to clear up, I have only really been doing stuff since start of feb and I know that NO link biulding was done from November 10 - Start of Feb!

    As said, I have got 70% of keywords on page one already, maybe I am just beating myself up over it lo!
     
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  10. NapsteR

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    In my opinion, there nothing called pure white hat seo. G only recommends natural link building. So, what ever you do in seo i think you may not consider that as a white hat..
     
  11. wannabie

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    Agree with you there, but for this conversation I think we all know that I am talking about paid links ;)

    Not link dropping :)
     
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    Just a quick brainstorm that might give you some ideas.

    Keep working on your onsite SEO:
    - Are you in control over your onsite linkjuice or are you dripping somewhere.
    - Make a html sitemap. Use proper anchor text and add a description text to every link.
    - Make a onsite wiki and link wisely on your site.
    - Make a onsite forum where people can discuss relevant topics.

    Off site SEO:
    - Start creating a linkwheel and keep your first tiers alive (make new posts on them every week)
    - Make a external forum and link back to your website
    - Get hold of a .edu blog and write good content and link back
    - Get your site into dmoz
    - Be active on related forums and write useful advices - and don't forget to link back
    - Search for high PR blogs and make a relevant comment, that the owner will find useful and not delete after a few weeks
    Consider spending a few bucks on quality backlinks. with few OBL's.

    My most important advice:
    - Sit down and make a linking strategy and blueprint for the next 4 weeks and then use your time to focus on that plan and don't worry about your ranking.
    - Break down the 4 weeks into timeslots. Let say you decide to use 2 hours a day, then your plan would look like this:
    Monday week 1: Onsite SEO (2 hours)
    Tuesday week 1: Off site SEO. Find quality blog and make 10 good links (2 hours)
    Wednesday week 1: Onsite SEO. Make a onsite html site map (2 hours)
    Thursday week 1: Off site SEO. Be active on a forum (2 hours)
    etc.

    Follow the blueprint that you make and stick to it. Use 2 hours every day (or what ever timeframe that fits into your life) and make sure to be productive within this daily timeslot (no FB, no mails, no checking up on BHW etc.)

    And finally - just do it.

    Good luck.
     
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  13. wannabie

    wannabie Elite Member

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    Thanks for your input Chris, but its not really what I was asking :0
     
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    Just do what I do and create some whitehat doorway pages. Create 4 or 5 social profiles or blogs. Make them all pretty and put some unique, relevant content on them, and link to your main site. Then blast the shit out of these doorway pages with links.
     
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    Every time you attempt you get backlink juice you are trying to trick google, which is blackhat (ok, some of it is a lot more "accepted" than others....but none of it is "natural")

    Try AMR. If you spend some time writing your spintax article, you can get thousands of versions that are semi unique and possibly "whitehat" enough for you. I think this is less spammy than profile/comment blasting.

    Also, some people make manual quality sites (squidoo, hubpages, blogger, etc) that point to their main site, and then spam blast the heck out of those sites. The cost of getting those sandboxed is far less.
     
  16. rapidace

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    Articles, signature links, home page urls, this are exactly whitehat methods.
     
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    true whitehat can indeed be done.period.

    The big problem is it is going to take a ton of time. But it is really worth it. trust me when i say that. Build a site that makes the reader overwhelmed with great information and then ask web sites for a resource link and you are sure to get a mention from them. This becomes impossible when a site is a MFA.
     
  18. dirtbag

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    This...

    If you're not sure how to go about it. Read up a little more on creating good content that will act as "link bait". Like copywriting, it takes more than just providing good written information. You need to prey on the viewer's mental and emotional triggers, then force them to play them into your little game. Give them something they will want to pass around. Controversy and humor work well. Once you've got their attention with some entertaining content, make the passing of your links easy on them. A little usability knowledge helps.

    I believe in the mythical "whitehat" about as much as I believe in leprechauns and unicorns. Like Autumn said, there's only varying degrees of grey...

    One sentence summary: Create entertaining content, and make it super easy for viewers to share your links quickly.

    If you're buying links, make sure they look natural in their placement. If you're paranoid, be sure that there is no mention of links sales on the actual site itself that you be buying from. Don't buy links dumped on huge linkfarm type links.html pages, and try to avoid buying links from big link brokering services. It could be wise to avoid buying links from forums where the domains are posted right in the sales threads. Best bet would be to buy from reputable forum members who don't divulge too much detail right in their forum posts, or to approach webmasters directly and as about link sales. Keep it niche, and don't buy from spammy dump-looking sites. Look for authority. So long as you watch your ass, there's no reason that paid link placements can't be a solid part of your linking strategy. It's mostly common sense really.
     
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  19. $ThisIsTheLife$

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    Whitehat is the best way to go friend

    Focus on Backlinks, how I maintain my 10k a month income

    Offpage is smart tho
     
  20. bizroot

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    Paid link are good if tracks are covered but we all know there is nothing like all covered. Sooner or later search engines will find them and devalue all selling and buying sites...

    We have seen example of forbes and jcpenny... So use it on your risk...