Can someone talk a Neewbie through a couple of scenarios

The second scenarios is this:
2. My dad runs a wedding photography one-man-band affair and has done amazingly well over the years knowing nothing about web design - this stuff is like a whole new world to both of us and a real eye opener! Anyway, his site's terrible and I think he might have paid someone a fair bit of money to get an incomplete, useless site.

- Could you use the methods I've asked about here also?

- Some of the black hat tricks look, no offence, that they might upset
customers who are IT savvy (getting fake likes, having fake tweets drive people
there etc) or am I totally misunderstanding these?
By the way this bit wasn't allowed in first post as the forum told me I wasn't allowed images / URLs or links at this stage - anyone know why it thought I had urls etc (was it just a big post or something?)

What in the world, I never seen anything like this before...

Ditta MafiaBoss,

Chase, just from reading your posts I can tell you are all over the shop. Take a couple of deep calming breaths. In and out, in and out. Good.

Now try telling us again what exactly is the problem. The first one doesn't make sense. I am not even sure what the website or how it generates money for your "friends". Furthermore I don't see why that is any of your business unless you were going to offer them services for redesigning or generating more traffic (and therefore more income) but it sounds like they know more than you do so unless you are a good liar I wouldn't bother. Even if you are a good liar I still wouldn't because you could make them lose their profit.

The second one is harder to read (seriously black text on a black background!? and you want to redesign your friends and fathers website? I would be telling them to run for the hills) but from what little I can tell you see your fathers website and you reckon you can do it better. But I am assuming that you are new to designing and really new to internet marketing. So I don't see how in either this will turn out well for you. Hell I am certain you don't even know what "black hat techniques" are.

In short, take a break. Come back and find a topic that you think would benefit your friends/fathers business (Pay per click, Search Engine Optimization, google maps etc) and slowly read those. Then try to implement them yourself on a free website like weebly. Then once you know you can do these offer them as services.

ChaseReticence said:

The second scenarios is this:
2. My dad runs a wedding photography one-man-band affair and has done amazingly well over the years knowing nothing about web design - this stuff is like a whole new world to both of us and a real eye opener! Anyway, his site's terrible and I think he might have paid someone a fair bit of money to get an incomplete, useless site.

- Could you use the methods I've asked about here also?

- Some of the black hat tricks look, no offence, that they might upset
customers who are IT savvy (getting fake likes, having fake tweets drive people
there etc) or am I totally misunderstanding these?
By the way this bit wasn't allowed in first post as the forum told me I wasn't allowed images / URLs or links at this stage - anyone know why it thought I had urls etc (was it just a big post or something?)

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first off, dont use black as the background, makes it difficult to read

secondly, you need to have a post count of >15 quality posts,
then you will notice the the restrictions on your ability to post links / PM etc.. will dissapear.

This is an auto function in BHW in an effort to stop spammers,
hope that clears up your query.

1st scenario
They seem to be doing quite well without your help
in fact they would be crazy to let you near their site

If as you say there is 0 local competition
Just add it to google maps, this will give them 1st place
But hire somebdy who knows what they are doing.

2nd scenario.
Again dont mess with your fathers business
Till you know a lot more

Thanks for the replies!
Uppa839 - your post made me laugh, I clearly am all over the place and don't even know how to post properly! (Thanks GoalLine for answering my other Q). There are so many strategies I'm not sure where to start at the moment that's all - I thought that there might be some obvious basics (i.e like everyone builds a list first, or everyone sets up PPC on their site) so I could at least spend a few hours working on those threads but I'm clearly still miles off at the moment! These guys are friends and they are doing fine so I'm not about to mess with them or their site, was just using them as an example. Re the redesign thing (if my dad stops running for the hills) I had just read an excellent post by Wasted on getting leads for web redesigns and, again, was trying to gauge how doable these things were. You mention Weebly; if you were talking to a stupid noob (difficult to imagine I know) what would you suggest I start to experiment with? There's loads of sticky's here but some of them were posted in 2008. Nanavlad - thx for the little tip I'll pass it to them.
Feeling a bit stupid right now!

ChaseReticence said:

Thanks for the replies!
Uppa839 - your post made me laugh, I clearly am all over the place and don't even know how to post properly! (Thanks GoalLine for answering my other Q). There are so many strategies I'm not sure where to start at the moment that's all - I thought that there might be some obvious basics (i.e like everyone builds a list first, or everyone sets up PPC on their site) so I could at least spend a few hours working on those threads but I'm clearly still miles off at the moment! These guys are friends and they are doing fine so I'm not about to mess with them or their site, was just using them as an example. Re the redesign thing (if my dad stops running for the hills) I had just read an excellent post by Wasted on getting leads for web redesigns and, again, was trying to gauge how doable these things were. You mention Weebly; if you were talking to a stupid noob (difficult to imagine I know) what would you suggest I start to experiment with? There's loads of sticky's here but some of them were posted in 2008. Nanavlad - thx for the little tip I'll pass it to them.
Feeling a bit stupid right now!

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Glad I made you laugh. I know for a fact that a lot of newbies are exactly like you, internet marketing has so much to it most newbies head spins for hours after browsing BHW.

In the two scenarios that you have posted above the best method for you to make money would be to find someone who is good at designing then sell that service at a higher price to your friends/father. Hell you could also offer the same thing to small businesses.

Truthfully though it all depends on you. There are several methods to making money online some of them as you have said are old but they are still methods that work even if you have to add your own twists. If you love writing and are really passionate about a certain niche like health or gaming maybe adsense would be the way to go (read up on the subject though). If you like talking a lot about a subject maybe you should take up creating videos on youtube and you can use BHW to understand how to rank videos etc.

In short there are tons of methods/ways to make money and most of the good ones can be found here on BHW. Some are better than others but that depends on you. Personally no matter what you do build an email/subscribers list, my single regret when starting out was not making a list sooner.

Its okay man we all feel dumb when we first come here. The fact of the matter is, there's a lot to learn and no real direction to take.

The first thing you should ask yourself, is how do you want to get paid.

Do you want to have a website and want to work on monetizing it?

Do you want to sell services to other people in IM ?

Do you want to drive traffic to someone elses website and be paid on how well it performs?

When you decide what suits you, it will narrow down your research field. From there, my advice is to learn as much as possible. Get a lot of hands on experience, but dont fall in to one thing and one thing only, you may make money doing work outsourced by other guys, but knowledge is invaluable. Make your main priority learning until you understand the industry as a whole, then you'll figure out what you should do.


Theres nothing wrong with asking questions man.