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Can someone file a Google DMCA against my spun article with over 50% unique content?

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  1. kupo

    kupo Junior Member

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    What I mean is, if a DMCA is filed with Google against my spun article that has over 50% unique content from the original article, will Google take down my article?

    I basically spun his article to over 50% unique content, evenly spun all throughout the article. It passes Copyscape too.

    My article is on an offshore webhost though, so I'm safe with my webhost. I'm just worried about Google taking action.

    Much kudos to those with experience in these matters.
     
  2. fnd80

    fnd80 Regular Member

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    Technically, yes. It's a derivative work of someone's copyright material, which is a violation of US copyright law.
     
  3. kupo

    kupo Junior Member

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    But get this: his material is ALSO a derivative work of many other sources (all of which I have found). He just rephrases everything in his own words, using synonyms and different word usage and all that.

    So my article is just a derivative work of a derivative work...

    Any thoughts on that?
     
  4. Prolieth

    Prolieth Newbie

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    I am not a lawyer.

    Google doesn't have a history, that I know of, for censoring warez, so I doubt it. But, that doesn't stop asshats from filing a DMCA. Please update the thread if they do end up taking it down as a result of a DMCA.

    Happy marketing. :)
     
  5. kupo

    kupo Junior Member

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    Huh. This is your first post ever.
     
  6. kupo

    kupo Junior Member

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    I guess if I ever get the DMCA notice from Google, I can just show them all the sources he used to write his article. I guess I can just say I used those same sources to write my own article.
     
  7. kupo

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    Okay, just found something. Hell yeah. Take a look at this, Google never even takes action on a DMCA complaint unless they are presented a court order:

    http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Webmasters/thread?tid=230297003c9b13b9&hl=en

    Any lawyers online right now? I have absolutely NO clue about the law. How much would it cost someone to get a court order?

    If the price is high, that should be enough of a deterrent to keep my article up :p:):p:):D:):D:):cool:
     
  8. Prolieth

    Prolieth Newbie

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    I am not a lawyer.

    "A court order (or court ruling) is an official proclamation by a judge (or panel of judges) that defines the legal relationships between the parties to a hearing, a trial, an appeal or other court proceedings. Such ruling requires or authorizes the carrying out of certain steps by one or more parties to a case. A court order must be signed by a judge; some jurisdiction may require it to be notarized." -Wiki

    It takes time, money, and effort to get a court order and isn't something that can be obtained simply. And, you'll likely know long before a court has made its ruling that someone is trying to obtain one.

    Happy Marketing. :)
     
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  10. kupo

    kupo Junior Member

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    Yeah, the "original" article writer and I are in different countries. My offshore webhost eased all of my worries and assured me that the guy has to actually hire an "international lawyer" if he's serious about sueing me or taking down my article.

    But my main worry here is, even if he doesn't hire an international lawyer to get a court order, can Google still follow up on the DMCA complaint and take my article down if my content is over 50% unique? After all, it's not duplicate content lol.

    Anyway, by thousands upon thousands do you mean like $5,000-10,000 or $10,000-30,000 or $30,000+?
     
  11. Italian Hawk

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    As far as I know Google doesn't care unless they are made to.

    That doesn't mean your article won't be detected automatically by Google as being only 50% unique and thus penalizes it without any action being taken by anybody. Let me put it simply, if it's a site you intend to make money on and it's not an autoblog or backlink, put in 5 minutes of your time to actually write a unique article... You sound worried and with less time than you've spent in this thread you could have written a unique article.
     
  12. buttulgly

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    Fair use of any body of work is generally 10% or one chapter (here in Aus anyway).

    Will G act on a DMCA take down notice. What do they have to take down? They are just an index.

    Will they deindex your site for duplicated content without giving reference to that content? Check the threads here in "Google deindexed my site" and make up your own mind. No one can say yes or no here, so you have to decide for yourself. Plenty of people make money with autoblogs. Many say their sites with spun content get penalised.

    No hard answers for you. Just questions for you to ponder.
     
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  13. kupo

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    I actually manually rewrote the article from scratch with no software, just rewording every phrase and sentence with my own human writing skills. My article has really high rankings for the keyword as it's over 50% unique content.

    My article is just manually rewritten content that has literally taken me hours to write, not duplicate content. But I see how people get away with article marketing now. On one of my other successful websites, I take 5-10% of many, many different sources and jumble them all up together to create unique content.

    It's just this one article I'm worried about as it was taken from only one source (even though I manually rewrote it all).
     
  14. kupo

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    Einstein: "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."

    I guess one can do that by sourcing all your content from 10 different places such that it becomes "fair use".
     
  15. kupo

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    I also think the guy is rich. He has a ton of websites making lots of affiliate money.

    So I think he will probably go ahead and actually sue me as the keyword on my article is highly competitive.
     
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    All this posting and worrying over ONE article...

    Does this article state how to find the holy grail...
    does this article take the reader to buried treasure...
    Does this article have the secret to immortality...

    NO..???

    then its worth $5 freakin dollars... because any for hire writer
    can write something similar to it.....
    and probably better....
    so stop worrying about any takedown notice

    If you receive any type of take down notice..
    that causes google to remove your indexed article..
    then you will pay someone to write another one for $5 dollars..

    so STOP worrying over some worthless article....
     
  17. kupo

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    Yeah, but this particular article is bringing in quite a hefty amount of income for me. I can't just drop it.
     
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    Don't drop it...

    Pay 10 different people to write you 10 different articles
    on the same subject....

    and watch your profits multiply....

    Make the articles so good...
    that your competition will want to copy them..
    then you will be sending the DMCA letters..
    and you will be making money while
    they will be sweating that maybe
    their site gets deindex...

    don't be the victim... be the PREDATOR...


    Don't worship one article....
    make a whole site on that keyword...
    and watch you make bank....



    its easy man.... real easy.
     
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  19. kupo

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    I have two blogs hosted on blogger with custom domain. I experienced receiving several DMCA complain. Google automatically unpublish any blog post/article when they receive a DMCA complain. Blogger will turn your post into draft. From what I remember, if my memory serves me right, Google will tell you that you can counter the complaint and they will reinstate the post.