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Can Someone Explain How Affiliates Sites with Spam Backlink Profiles Still Rank #1?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by BrokeJoke, Jul 7, 2015.

  1. BrokeJoke

    BrokeJoke Newbie

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    Long time lurker, first time poster. Be gentle with me ;)

    I've been doing a ton of affiliate research (total noob), identifying profitable KW's and attempting to evaluate the competition in a given niche. I've understand the view that quality content = long terms success/profits and have a handle on how organic backlinks/shares will increase ranking. All that makes sense. I've also read time and time again than Panda/Penguin ruined (and still ruin) sites who pay for backlinks or have a backlink profile of spammy links.

    So here's the thing I'm having trouble wrapping my head around....

    Researching niches, I've come across dozens of Page-1 affiliate sites ranking with nothing but spam backlinks. Many times with volumes in the 100's, if not 1000's. If I follow the trail for the few affiliate sites that only have a few backlinks, I notice that they all seem to be getting MAJOR JUICE from 1-5 sites. When I run those sites link profile, it seems like they have 1000's of spam backlinks pointing to them and seem to the affiliate site.

    So based on everything I just can't figure, here are my questions:

    1) What is the method are affiliate sites with 1000's of Spam backlinks using to rank in the Top 10 results within 6-months to a year?
    2) Is there some hack or work around where you can purchase backlinks and increase your rank quickly with less risk (like a intermediary juice passing site)?
    3) If you only purchase backlinks for sites with content related to yours and that have an old site age, would you be less likely to incur a penalty? For instance, link management allows you to review the sites you purchase backlinks from.

    Thanks for any help/info you can provide. This site is amazing. I'm already 100% obsessed with figuring out the way to make my entire income online. The wife is getting worried. Can't wait to prove her wrong ;)
     
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  2. thejesus

    thejesus Registered Member

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    You will see many people saying that spam is dead and things like that, but spam still works. You can still rank terrible content with spam, it's just not exactly like it used to be. The people who rank with spam probably post saying it doesn't work, so other people don't try it, so they have less competition, so they get more money. People read 'content is king' so often that they believe it. Websites might derank or deindex faster, but it doesn't matter because you can just do it again. Unfortunately, no one is going to share the method they make money with, because that's a little bit silly. You need to journey into a mysterious, backwards place known as 'churn and burn'. Good luck :)
     
  3. archon10

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    My experience when people make this claim is that the query is either junk or spammy. Both of which return *something* and it's garbage in garbage out. If you do a search on a spammy query, then you'll likely get spammy sites.

    the other possibility is personalization.

    I used Google all day and get great results. For instance, I can't for the fucking life of me get this sqlite query working on my android app. Searched all night last night and nothing is working. Got Stack Overflow even on the most obscure searches. But when I started running garbage queries desperate to get something to work, I started getting some meh sites.

    Google is a massive data collector. It tries to "understand" what you're looking for. When you start getting down to very obscure terms or very spammy terms that are only used by *cough* SEOs *cough* then it gives you garbage output. There's not enough data for it to "understand" what you mean, so it defaults to what some would think as "keyword spam is working" or "look at all these spammy sites."
     
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  4. BrokeJoke

    BrokeJoke Newbie

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    Hahahaha. That was an awesome response. Thanks for your insight :)

    After posting this last night, I fell deep into a PBN, Web 2.0s, backlink building hole and next thing I knew it was 4:00 am and I had to get up for work in 3-hours. I've just scratched the surface, but I'm starting to (slowly) wrap my head around things. I've got a site in mind that I plan to test things with and another Authority site that I plan to build more slowly with a more "white hat" approach.

    As I cut my teeth, I'll see what works, what doesn't and won't stop until I figure this all out. This is the most fun I've had online in years. I'm just getting started :) ....Thanks again!
     
  5. BrokeJoke

    BrokeJoke Newbie

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    Thanks for the insight and I totally get where you're coming from, but the queries I've been looking at aren't spammy in the least. Think "Best XXX" or "Most Comfortable XXXX".

    I might have mistakenly made it seem like the sites returned for those KW's were low quality, but typically that doesn't seem to be the case. The overall content found on the sites is relevant to the KW, well written and generally pretty good overall. The specific aspect that is spammy are the 100's of backlinks providing juice to the low-age, 0-PR, low DA/PA. The query itself is good, but when I run the backlinks of the top ranking sites, I notice that their juice is spammy.

    Hope that makes sense and I'll be sure to stay away from queries like "Win a Free iPad" ;)
     
  6. archon10

    archon10 BANNED BANNED

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    Ah, I see what you're saying.

    Something that you have to realize is that sites can rank despite penalties. If the site is insanely popular, Penguin penalties can be neutralized by great links. I definitely wouldn't suggest any webmaster do something like that. I'm talking BBC goes and buys links. They will probably rank regardless if they are caught.

    I actually did work for a company that received manual action after the very first round of manual spam penalties. Nobody would think that they were hurting because they still ranked for their main phrases, but actually they lost half of their traffic. It's a guessing game if you aren't in someone's WMT.
     
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