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Can PBNs be build in a way that they comply with google guidelines?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by aussiejack, Nov 9, 2014.

  1. aussiejack

    aussiejack Regular Member

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    I have a very successful competitor who has his "PBNs" build like this:

    1) Most of them can be found easily, no spyder blocking. That is why I used "PNB" because they are not really private
    2) good content relevant to his money site
    3) 50% expired domains, 50% new domains
    4) links to his money sites highly diversified. Textlinks, banners, links in header / footer / sidebar, links from home page and/or inner pages
    5) lots of links to high authority sites

    For google it probably looks completely natural.

    I am wondering now if I could use the same strategy. What astonishes me the most: This guy even writes his name big on each site. He does not try to hide at all. That leads me to the question if he builds his network so well that he does not need to hide because he is in compliance with the google guidelines.

    I mean: When I build a website with really good content providing value to the users. Why would I not be allowed to make a link to my moneysite?

    Is there any possibility to build PBNs in such a way that I don´t risk anything even with a manual review because it is not a violation of google guidelines?
     
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  2. rob1977

    rob1977 Power Member

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    I'm not sure it complies with Google guidelines it's just getting away with it. At the moment!!!
     
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    If the sites are otherwise "useless" and have the only intent to linki to his money sites, Google will find it soon or competitors will report him...

    Any "artificial" link building is against Google guidelines.

    Cheers
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    xrtmk Registered Member

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    how to report someone that use SAPE? :)
     
  5. nonai

    nonai Power Member

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    no, according to google, you cannot build links to your own site. period. end of story. it doesn't matter how legit your pbn looks.
     
  6. rob1977

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    Poke yourself in the eye big yin
     
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  7. aussiejack

    aussiejack Regular Member

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    Is this a definite statement in the google guidelines? I am not allowed AT ALL to build any backlinks? Not even if own the other website where I am linking from?
     
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    You're better than that... you have more knowledge at your disposal than most as a member here since May that you do not have to wallow in the mud to out rank a competitor.

    See what they are doing and do it better, stronger and on a larger scale and also build a variety of other processes in that will over come him no matter what he is doing.
     
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    Above all you need to minimize your footprint in order to keep under the radar when gaming G... So for PBNs make sure its on a different hosting server (and nameserver), whois protection, throw in dud links on the PBN sites with 1-2 of real ones that go to your money site... plus content which is not duplicated from money site.... Content wise I would only use original stuff and not PLR or syndicated content...
     
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    You can do it by licking your finger and sticking em up on a pit-bull's butt.
     
  11. Silverbak

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    That's is not 100% accurate. See from the Cutts himself:

    Google "Youtube Does linking my two sites together violate the quality guidelines?" I can't post links yet.

    Although the situation that OP describes would be a link network as defined by the Google and will probably get slapped.

    Also check out thekitchn.com and apartmenttherapy.com - exactly as describe by the Cutts. I've been looking into this as I'm getting ready to link two sites similar to the way these two sites are linked - on the menu bar and in the content. Not really for any SEO benefit but for traffic flow as both sites are related to each other but in different enough niches to have their own domains.

    That being said, if you get a manual review, I don't believe they always follow what the Cutts has stated publicly - my assumption is that they can't have 1000 page manual memorized and still work through their quota.
     
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    thanks for the discussion guys. At the end it comes down to the question: How can I actively built links without being slapped even if a competitor reports me?
     
  13. brendanshanaham

    brendanshanaham Newbie

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    Unfortunately, you can't. The best you can do is not to leave any footprints when building links.
     
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    Don't think a PBN can ever comply with Google guidlines lol. This guy is just doing it well - just because there is a visual clue (name) that links the sites, doesn't mean it's something that googles algorithms can see.
     
  15. Silverbak

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    Make them quality enough that they look like real sites - which they basically are. Personally, I don't do thin PBNs or Web 2.0s. I also attempt to monetize any Tier site that I have access to that has a brandable domain. Now that obviously doesn't work if the site was a former brick and mortar and there is no way to adapt it (based off the domain name) to an online only concern but nowadays I tend to purchase only brandable domains that I try to rank up on their own merits.

    This goes against most conventional advice which says to keep PBNs and Tiers on the down low. If I put that much time in site, I want to monetize it if possible no matter what tier it is on. And then I repeat the process - my Tier one(s) become my money sites and I keep working down.

    Not sure if this will be successful long term but it has been for about a year and I believe it will last (and I'm risk adverse). It's probably better to have three or four such setups but I'm doing this on my off hours but if I were a full time IMer, I would have multiple link strings.

    It's also important to note with such a setup, my sites never link to more than one money site to avoid a link wheel effect.
     
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    aussiejack, if you uncovered his BL network, it is not a PBN.

    That would akin to gaining access to someone's, "Safe Deposit Box."

    The operative word for TRUE PBNs is, "Clandestine!"

    clandestine
    [klan-des-tin]
    adjective 1. characterized by, done in, or executed with secrecy or concealment, especially for purposes of subversion or deception; private or surreptitious:

    True PBNs are not going to be uncovered or discovered.

    Moreover, a person who has built a TRUE undetectable PBN would be psycho to post a thread on how to do so.

    As to your question, "F" g00gle!!! I'm not trying to comply with those Internet Tyrants!
     
  17. aussiejack

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    Haha, yea I am aware of that. Thats why I put "PBN" in quotation marks.

    I am just wondering what drives that guy to put his name openly on his network sites. I just have to google for his name and find most of his sites. Otherwise he is really careful and did good work with his sites. He ranks on first page for a lot of keywords in a VERY competitive niche for years now.

    I mean, this guy obviously knows what he is doing. Why this obvious network with his name tag on it???
     
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    Try using satellite sites.
     
  19. Techxan

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    PLEASE quit promoting this blatant piece of bullshit, people.

    READ the friggin guidelines:

    Code:
    https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/66356?hl=en
    says very clearly:

    First off, it says "CAN" not "WILL" negatively impact rankings.

    Look at this line:
    Excessive link exchanges ("Link to me and I'll link to you") or partner pages exclusively for the sake of cross-linking
    Google says here that "excessive" link exchanges are not acceptable. This by definition means that non excessive link building is OK.

    Look at this line:
    Large-scale article marketing or guest posting campaigns with keyword-rich anchor text links.
    By definition this statement means small scale link building by these methods is OK. In fact that line right there says guest posting with non kw anchor text is OK, too.

    Look at this line:
    Using automated programs or services to create links to your site
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    Building your links manually is OK.

    lok at tis section from the bottom of that page:

    Did you notice it says "the best way", not "the only acceptable way"?

    Don't buy into all the stuff people say everyday. Most of them are simply repeating the bullshit they bought into.

    Anyone actually practicing SEO knows that Guest posting works just fine. There are even threads in this forum to that very fact.

    Not long ago the seo world went crazy because Matt Cutts "said" that press releases do not work anymore. Except he didn't say that.

    What he said was "I wouldn't expect links from press release websites to help rank your site"

    Totally different thing, but today many WSEO's think press releases are useless.
     
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