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Can I outrank this?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by wkrappen91, Sep 16, 2010.

  1. wkrappen91

    wkrappen91 Power Member

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    Can I outrank this?
    This site is about 4 years old, mine is only 1 month...
    The Keyword has about 4090000 Searches and a KEI of 270243,942...
    how hard will it be to outrank him, and what will it take (ive been building profile backlinks with two variations of my keyword as anchor text ("xxx xxx test", and just "xxx xxx") is that a good way of doing it?)
    and how hard can i build backlinks? i was thinking like 50 a day? or is that to much for staying out of the sand?

    Thats my competitions backlinks...
    Google 0
    Yahoo 829
    PR 0 57
    PR 1 43
    PR 2 64
    PR 3 65
    PR 4 35
    PR 5 13
    PR 6 2
    PR 7 0
    PR 8 0
    PR 9 0
    PR 10 0
     
  2. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    It's an Algo, of course it can be gamed.
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    That's going to be a long row to hoe.

    50 a day for a site one month old is too many.
     
  3. ictown775

    ictown775 Newbie

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    good luck, but i think its possible, if you don't procrastinate and diligently do your work, you might.
     
  4. wkrappen91

    wkrappen91 Power Member

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    How many should I do? Its all Profiles. I mean they need some time to get picked up, so whats a reasonable amount a day? 20 if i ping them? 30 without pinging?
     
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    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    {|21|20|25|19|22} Vary the amount a day like I show for a new site is fine and you should ping them... slowly ramp it up after a few weeks. Also, don't rely on just one kind of backlink, the search engines will laugh at you... mix up the kinds of backlinks you have pointing to yoiur site.
     
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    wkrappen91 Power Member

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    Ok tnks. I will.
    I dont know if its important but thats my site and his:
    xxx-yyytest * c0*m (mine)
    xxxyyytest * c0*m (his)
    so the only difference is the "-".
    I allready rank top 100 for xxx yyy test, but thats propably because of the domain name isnt it? cause i dont rank anywhere for xxx yyy...
     
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    vpgemini Newbie

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    Anything is possible if you take the time and build the right backlinks. Change them up etc. If possible make a good majority of links off sites that are similar to your niche.
     
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    The first thing I would look at is those PR3+links. What types of links are they? Are they blog comments or real quality links? If they are quality links you do have a tough row to hoe. Either way you are going to need quite a few links and some patience to beat out that site.

    As far as links a day 50 is not really a problem if you can sustain it long term. The number is not really all that important, what you want is to steadily build links and increase the number as you go. The pattern is more important than the number. Figure out what number of links you can build weekly and start with 25% of that for the first week and then increase it every week building over a couple of months to your max.

    What you do not want to do is build a huge amount of links in a short time and then stop. That is what sends the wrong message to Google.


     
  9. wkrappen91

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    Thanks for all your good answers, i will try to build around 10 links a day and ping them for the first month, then 15 a day for the second and 20 a day for the third.
    that would equate to over 1350 backlinks. (70% xxx yyy and 30% xxx yyy anchor text)
    That should get me in the Top 20, shouldnt it?
    How bad would it be if 80% of my backlinks would come from profiles? (70% Vbulletin 30% Expression engine?)
    And one more thing
    if i google my domain in " " it shows up 100 of the profiles that i created, but none of them show up in any backlink checker... how is that??
     
  10. semjuice

    semjuice Newbie

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    yes you can outrank it...I work on newly registered domains (< 1 month old) and can get them to outrank aged domains with higher PR (it just doesn't happen overnight). The key is not to only use profile links, but get a variety (articles, blogs, blog comments, directories, bookmarks, etc). 50 a day IMO is not too many, as long as your not aggressively pinging all of them.
     
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    wkrappen91 Power Member

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    Do you know or can you reccomend a good service that is designed/works good with new domains? like one that will give me a boost and wont get me sandboxed??
    all i can find is 10.000000k profile blast, which will kill my site instantly...
     
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    what you should also think about when planning for this is whether or not you can still get a decent amount of traffic even if your not on the number 1 result. There are many terms I still get 100's of visitors from a day even though I am not the number one ranked result!
     
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    Get 10,000 forum member profile links and you will ROCKET TO THE TOP!!!!

    I mean seriously - 10k forum profile links will SMASH YOU TO THE 1 SPOT.
     
  14. neo3187

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    1)Go for a SENUKE trial (cancel before 7 days if you dun wana pay $127)

    2) Create a Link Wheel

    3) Bookmark,Ping,Rss Submit the Wheel

    4) Go for the 20000 profile blast on the link wheel's sites aka web2.0 pages that contain a bl to your website.

    Works well ... hope it helps u
     
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    neo3187 Senior Member

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    Hey Spaceman, how do you get those 10,000 links indexed? do you ping and rss submit 100 at a time and wait for a few days or u just ping all 10,000? or you just wait and let them index naturally?
     
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    How can you check the PR value of links for your own site or competitors site please?
    Thanks.
     
  17. wkrappen91

    wkrappen91 Power Member

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    Cant post links yet, but google:
    european business backlink checker
    it has two options
    the simple one, and the one where you get all the PRs with it
     
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    There are several providers on here too that will help your get links for really cheap... like $20 for 100's of links. Might be worth your while to check them out.
     
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    wkrappen91 Power Member

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    Oh i looked thru all the offers.
    The one that caught my attention most was "Meganet"
    i think ill save up some funds and try thatone.
    i post if something happens
    thanks for your advice so far
     
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    wkrappen91 Power Member

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    Shit just got real:D
    He obviously bought some links, as he now has 40.000+ links indexed but only 140domains from 130 ips...
    How do the extra 40k backlinks from the same domain effect the equation? BIG problem, big problem or small problem?