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Can I get a lot of natural traffic without doing SEO?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by hatterftw1, Sep 1, 2012.

  1. hatterftw1

    hatterftw1 Power Member

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    If I create a blog where im posting unique content constantly that will mostly be based on news, then do I have to do manual SEO to get traffic? The big point of this blog is that it will sort of be a authority blog if you will, in that it's based on a very broad topic/category that will talk about everything and anything in that topic, and have tons of content. So shouldnt i find that lots of traffic will start coming in for this type of blog even thought im not actively SEOing?
     
  2. Duffers5000

    Duffers5000 Elite Member

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    No not really..you could live in a cave and write a history of the world but if nobody reads it then you are just a bum in cave with a typewriter.

    At the very least you have to sell and promote your website. If you feel you don't want to do seo you at least have to be engaging a following on social media. Sharing blogging posts with like minded people in your field.

    Seo is not all about sending out 50000 blasts etc. You can do thought out blog commenting by reading and respectfully commenting on people's blogs. You can do hand written press releases. You can make your own hand built web 2.0s, directory submissions etc there are lots of options but you have to get out there and sell it if you want traffic.

    Don't think the web is some sort of fair democracy where someone will notice your excellent website and post it on reddit. It definitely does not work like that
     
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  3. cool999

    cool999 Newbie

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    According to me SEO important and without that you will not get much traffic.
     
  4. NISEO

    NISEO Registered Member

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    There are definitely sites that get by without it - but they are few and far between. No matter how much you invest in your site, there are no guarantees. Sure, the more money you invest in building, researching, putting together a truly awesome site - the more chance of having a success... but it's still 'chance' - never, ever a sure bet.

    Look at Google for example... they had a lot and invested A LOT - made a video sharing site that they couldn't make succeed - so they bought a successful one.
     
  5. masterjani

    masterjani Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    If you don't want to do much seo, it is really hard to get traffic. Atleast do some guest post on relevant blogs that way your blog will get referral traffic.
     
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    NISEO Registered Member

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    If you mean 'guest posts' (where you'll get 'do follow') as opposed to 'comment spamming' (99% 'nofollow') then you'll be automatically SEOing anyway - good idea!
     
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    There are lots of ways to derive quality traffic to your site without SEO.

    SEO is a long term plan and if you don't have the patience or hate the work you can do the following:

    1. Video Marketing - It doesn't require much, don't let the marketing scare you. Simply put up a video, optimized it, have your URL/content in the description area and get some views, comment, favorite, likes either by buying or doing little social networking promotion, embedding your video on top sites e.t.c.

    2. Press release - i recommend PRweb or Newswire.

    3. Offline marketing - banner, flyers, radio, tv e.t.c

    4. Social networking like Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter. As a matter of fact, you can kick start a business using social networking.

    5. Adword - This is pay per click ads.
     
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  8. Hadouken

    Hadouken Registered Member

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    Absolutely do not listen to people who tell you that you can't have lots of traffic without SEO. If your content is well written and original, and you have Google Webmaster Tools installed, you WILL get "lots" of traffic without doing anything else. It is nearly impossible not to. Without even one of your visitors sharing your blog or anything to help you, you can easily manage 50-100 visits per month, per article, just based off of the original content.

    Then from that, if your content is engaging and your website layout encourages people to share it, you should grow naturally, where users will build your site up for you. If your website is trash, or the content isn't useful or interesting to visitors, it will be hard to grow. But you absolutely do not need to build even 1 link to your own site, and if you use wordpress, the onsite SEO and Pinging new posts is all done fairly well for you automatically.

    If you want a kick start to your traffic without doing what most here call "seo" just feed your blog to a Facebook & Twitter account so each new post goes there, or manually update the accounts by posting to twitter with hash tags, and posting the blog posts to relevant Facebook groups.
     
  9. NISEO

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    I don't mean to be rude - but do you even know what 'Google Webmaster Tools' is?
    How do you imagine that this helps you gain traffic?
     
  10. Duffers5000

    Duffers5000 Elite Member

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    OK so in a world of 6.5 billion(BILLION) people 50-100 visits per month is big traffic ?

    OP dont be a hippy...this is an Internet Marketing forum

    We Market...meaning we try and sell our wares....


     
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    ryannull Senior Member

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    You have been spending way too much time listening to Matt Cutt's propaganda bullshit.

    WMT does more harm than good. That is Google's way of tracking your websites and linking habits. The same can be said about Google's Analytics.

    That nonsense about you make valuable unique content and visitors will come without seo, is garbage. If you don't do some sort of seo, sem and/or smm, it will never be found, period.
     
  12. seniorempire

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    yes there are many ways, but no one will be willing to tell you.
     
  13. beakerhat

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    If you are gonna talk about current events in your news reports you have to always make sure they are unique. It is very difficult to compete with well established news sites. But yeah, it is possible to rank a site without using any seo. But you have to pick a really unique and less competitive keyword for it. I am not sure if creating fan page on FB is a part of SEO. That will help you.

    But I did make a free blog rank without any SEO at all. My keyword was way too unique and based on parody I made out of a specific celebrity. Such things are always hit though. People love jokes about celebrities and do not see a problem in sharing them with their friends. That's how I got my backlinks. Can't tell if a blog about news will be able to do the same. It has to be branded and for that you have to use some form of SEO.
     
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    I have to disagree here. Once you are in GOOGLE'S INDEX, they can found out what they want to know about you. I don't have any kind of alexa software on my website, so how does alexa know what backlinks i have? In reply to "you're letting google know what you are doing with your backlinking by installing GWT, analytics, etc"...If it makes such a difference, then remove GWT, then Xrumer blast your website with 50k links at once...see what happens.
     
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    Having Google Webmaster Tools ensures that your sites content will be properly crawled and indexed better, more often, and more completely than without it. You will have a much easier time actually getting indexed, and then ranked with GWT.

    Did I say 50-100 visits per month is big traffic? Do you imagine that he is planning to set up his entire blog site for just 1 post? Or do you think that more realistically he plans to add hundreds, and eventually thousands of blog posts? And don't you imagine that with thousands of people visiting, they will like/share/link back to his site eventually naturally? Please, use your brain when you want to post.

    That is just a lie. I won't take the time to prove it. It can be done by you within 5 minutes. Create a wordpress blog, write 2 unique 500 word posts about a subject you like, verify Google Webmaster Tools, and do nothing. Come back in a week and show me your blog gets 0 impressions from Google. It is simply not possible. I don't care what niche you are in, your site will get visitors without you actually doing anything besides the initial set up, and then creating fresh content.

    Google Webmaster Tools does NOT do any harm. That has NEVER EVER been shown to be even remotely true, and it would have no reason to. Why would Google want to harm people using their product and following their TOS? That would be completely harmful to their business. If anything, they would want to rank people higher using Webmaster Tools, to encourage them to keep using it. Why should someone who is doing exactly what Google wants, be afraid of Webmaster Tools?

    OP, do NOT listen to these guys, they are trying to sound like experts, and I promise you, they aren't. Wordpress + Quality Content + User friendly layout + Fast loading website + Google Webmaster Tools and you WILL see traffic coming in fast, and increasing every week as long as you keep updating. And eventually you can submit for Google News and if you get accepted, you will get MUCH more traffic.
     
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    I have done a test with an established site, where I never ever had WMT or Analytics or anything installed, and as SOON as I verified my site ownership, Google already had my completely link profile and ranking data. As you say, they can get any information they want about your site whether you have WMT or not installed. Trust us, it doesn't make a difference. WMT verification is just to show THE OWNER the data in an easy to read format. Googles databases and algorithms already have and know the information for most sites without it.
     
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    Google is going to know what you are doing backlink wise anyways. WMT just let's them know who owns it. WMT, Analytics and Adsense is Google's sneaky way of tracking what you do and what you own.

    It is never a good idea to blast xrumer to your money site.
     
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    So, you mean to tell me if you write a blog about auto insurance, using wordpress and adding WMT, it will rank? Good luck with that.

    The OP is asking if you can get a lot of traffic without doing seo. The simple answer is no, not without doing some kind of seo, sem and/or smm.
     
  19. GreyGhost

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    Facebook does not use SEO; YouTube does not use SEO. Yes, I know, you are writing a blog so FB / YT are not the best sites to compare.

    Than consider one of the most popular blogs ever, "the stuff white people like" that was notorious for not using SEO at all (only now with Google Page Rank of 6, out of 10 max and a lot of followers, they have some, automated on-page SEO, due to the platform). Or take Gary Vaynerchuk who had no idea at all about wine but his / never SEOed blog / gained enormous popularity and now he owns a multi-million dollar venture. Yoani S├ínchez and her famous, Cuba based Generation Y blog is one of the most famous in the world (she was one of the "100 Most Influential People in the World” in 2008, according to the TIME Magazine) but she never used SEO. Examples are numerous.

    The biggest SEO secret is that you do not need it at all!! However, you need to be original and what you write needs to interest the people. Every boring slot in the Net is already filled and saturated with garbage, thus SEO and gazillion services that pollute the Net with more garbage than The Great Pacific Garbage Patch contains and only rarely produce results is invented :)

    Produce something the people will use and the search engines will follow. (and rank you accordingly)
     
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  20. ButcherPete

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    I'm no expert, but here's my theory: SEO is important at the beginning. When the site is brand new and nobody has heard of it yet, you have to get the word out and build some links or nobody will ever see it. But if your content is good enough (and I mean groundbreaking... The best content in your niche) then your site will eventually become well-known among your niche and you won't have to do much SEO at all.

    Look at various niches; you'll see that some of the best sites are made by people who probably don't know anything about SEO. Their traffic probably rides almost entirely on word-of-mouth and social signals.