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Can Google monitor traffic without GA?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by jonnyyyyy, Jun 9, 2010.

  1. jonnyyyyy

    jonnyyyyy Newbie

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    Hi All,
    We?re having a little debate here after the report recently from SEOmoz on the ?Overall Ranking Algorithm? pie chart.

    On it, there is a slice that says traffic and click-through data form 7% of the total.

    Some of us agree, while some strongly disagree on this point in particular. Obviously, if you have Google Analytics on your site then Google has access to this information. However, the argument against is that Google can?t use the data from Analytics as not all sites have it ? by doing so they are favouring sites with it which isn?t impartial.

    The main argument against, and my question, is this; assuming traffic is a factor but Google don't use Analytics for their data, where else would they get it from?
     
  2. Megalomaniac Midget

    Megalomaniac Midget Power Member Premium Member

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    Yes, google can monitor without GA:

    1. SE click thrus to site are tracked
    2. Browser google PR plug-in users are tracked
    3. gmail users stay logged in all day & are tracked
    4. all Adsense pages are tracked
    5. adwords click thrus
    6. feedburner & google reader users are tracked
    7. googles public DNS traffic is tracked

    and thats just off the topo of my head, i'm sure i missed a few datamining tools.

    Personally i wouldn't bother with seomoz, its the home to the whitehat n00b olympics....reverse engineer some of seomoz clients link profiles and you will discover that they couldn't seo there way out of a wet paper bag...
     
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  3. CenTex Hosting

    CenTex Hosting Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Google owns just about everything, or will in time so yes it can be tracked.
     
  4. goawayplease

    goawayplease Regular Member

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    Seconded with one exception... SEOMoz does some pretty awesome number crunching. They do alot of multi-variate testing, and we should observe and learn from that. Marketing Sherpa is another great place to observe.

     
  5. Entrepreneur

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    And don't forget the biggest piece of spyware ever to hit the interent, Chrome. :)
     
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  6. Megalomaniac Midget

    Megalomaniac Midget Power Member Premium Member

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    Bingo! I had this niggle at the back of mind that i'd forgotten one big ggogle data-miner

    You have no secrets when your using chrome....in my stats it looks like chromes getting close to 10% of total browser users.

    @goawayplease sure they do alot of number crunching for link bait, but they are mattcutt fanboys and as a high profile agency they go out of there way NOT to step on googles toes.

    Its all whitehat captain obvious reports that are 6months late for the party, the ?Overall Ranking Algorithm? is a perfect example....statistics have always been used as a propaganda tool to say what ever you want to say, with out saying anything.

    If you don't want to be 6months late to the party like SEOMOZ is, you go straight to the battlefield & reverse engineer the guys that really know there shit.

    Reverse engineering the players in the rx, gambling, & the other hot CPA niches is always time better spent then reading "consensus" reports from a agency thats selling services.