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Can cpa networks detect iframe?

Discussion in 'CPA' started by mraz, Aug 12, 2011.

  1. mraz

    mraz Registered Member

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    There are some offer page that will break out off iframe automatically when it detect one (the code is very easy), but this ponder me to this big question -- Can CPA networks actually detect if its offer page is inside an iframe?

    What troubled me is, the iframe auto break code is very very easy and simple to implement to offer pages, so why don't CPA networks implement this? What if its a trap to iframers because they can actually detect iframe and can nail you down?

    What are your thoughts/experiences on this? Many thanks! :cool:
     
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    Yes you could...

    For example, in your javascript framebreaker, you detect whether the url of the parent frame is the same as the offer url. If it's not, you break out of the frame and trigger an ajax call that writes the transaction to a database. If you get a particular affiliate sending traffic that causes the frame breaker to trigger every time, you've probably got someone iframing your offer.
     
  3. mraz

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    Are you then saying that offers that do not brake from iframe are safe? I meant, the javascript framebreaker are meant to break away from iframes and when this transaction happen, then it can be recorded into a database.

    However, can there be a javascript that detect if the parent frame and the "child" frame url are the same or not, without actually breaking the iframe or being a framebreaker? This is what I was referring to--as a trap set-up.
     
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    Yes, you don't need to break the frame to see if the parent and child urls are the same.

    Code:
    if (top.location != location) {
        recordFramebreakingAffiliate();
    }
    
    Just check out the javascript on the offer page, you should be able to see whether they're doing anything shitty. If you don't know js then this might be a good time to learn. ;)
     
  5. mraz

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    Yea but I don't even know where to start lol :D

    Are there any other way of frame detection beside the javascript framebreaker? I need to better equip my self with coding :eek:

    Like for example, pixel tracking, cookies, redirection, referral --> when one goes to offer page all this action took place..can they detect frame?
     
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    Instead of relying on other people to feed you bits and pieces of information, just learn some javascript and how the html document model works and then you will be able to make truly informed decisions for yourself. Otherwise when you get banned for iframing then you'll only have yourself to blame.

    Most of the stuff you mention above would be blocked by the cross domain security settings in most modern browsers.
     
  7. mraz

    mraz Registered Member

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    I know the fundamentals of html doc and a little javascript, thats why I was able to detect this framebreakers in their redirects and sometimes on the offerpage itself, and I was also able to prevent the framebreakers. However, as there are gazillion other programming languages out there, including ajax, html5, and etc, I just want to explore more advanced detection techniques that some networks may be using. And during my tests, they are fine with the 4 popular modern browsers.

    There are unlimited potential ways to achieve the same end -- so I just want to explore and discover more -- because javascript is kinda old and common already.
     
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    If you want to learn about iframing offers, learn javascript and html properly. JS is the fundamental method of manipulating DOM used on 99% of real world situations.

    Neither ajax nor html5 are programming languages. Ajax = asynchronous javascript and html5 = the next iteration of html, which has some dynamic features but is not a scripting language. You can span cross domain boundaries by using the cross document messaging features of html5 but javascript is still required.

    Both of those facts are roughly 30 seconds each of googling away! Iframing is a technical endeavor so it's on you to educate yourself if you don't want to lose your funds.

    You can also query and manipulate the DOM using Flash, Java and ActiveX depending on the browser and installed plugins.

    You are far more likely to get caught for unnatural conversions or dodgy referrers than you are for anything the network might be doing client side anyway.

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  9. Swag+Luxury=PlayBoy

    Swag+Luxury=PlayBoy BANNED BANNED

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    YES IFRAMES ARE GREAT!! PART OF THE REASON WHY I'M MAKING $xx,xxxx a month easily

    The fact of the matter is you probably arent familiar with how to make it long term

    Think about it....

    Anybody can iframe a page... Not to many people know how to make it long term

    Hint* There is no single tool out there that does all this

    The worst thing is to iframe a offer and not get the conversion... lol

    or the iframe breaking

    Anyways enjoy your long journey.. learning
     
  10. mraz

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    Where to start when one want to learn more advanced iframing? :D
     
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    Do you know how? Some offers even tries to mess with the iframing, such as changing the iframe size/position :confused::confused:
     
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    Swag+Luxury=PlayBoy BANNED BANNED

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    I suggest you search the whole forum... It may suck at first, but will benefit you in the long run

    I dont care to rain on other peoples parade here.. This info took months for most to perfect

    These days cpa networks made so many changes to their 1 page submits, that they dont have issues with people iframing anymore

    Which is it easy to milk them, easiest money

    Even for newbies
     
  13. mraz

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    What type of changes? Why will they not have issues with people iframing anymore yet it is still easy to milk them/easiest money?

    Edit: I've actually researched the whole BHW prior to making this thread but the way cpa networks detects iframe has actually not been covered yet. Most of the threads were talking about how to make iframe (and the black hat ways to use iframe), iframe breaker, fake referral, spoof url, auto fill cpa form, and etc -- these techniques are what we do when making an iframe; BUT, what detection techniques are cpa networks using to counter this? This information will make us better informed and prepared when using iframes.

    When referring back to your sentence that "they don't have issues with people iframing anymore", does it mean that they no longer care if people are framing their offers or not -- as long as the leads are valid with valid information and genuine interest of the prospects?

    Just some points to ponder.
     
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