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Can Buyers on ebay scam sellers like this?

Discussion in 'Ebay' started by oatmeal, Dec 23, 2016.

  1. oatmeal

    oatmeal Regular Member

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    Honest question that really confuses me based on my observations of how ebay system works.
    It seems that buyers can open up a case and claim they did not receive the item and request/demand for a refund.

    The only way a seller can be 100% protected from losing an open case is to provide full tracking number that shows the item was SUCCESSFULLY DELIVERED. Once it shows that status, it gives you immunity from a "item not received" case, (of course they can open a claim that is "item not as described" and that's another story).

    So then, isn't there a gaping loophole in the ebay system for buyers to scam sellers which is: simply buy whatever you want from sellers you know that don't ship with tracking (ie, pretty much all the chinese sellers), and then after 30 days or so, just open up a case and claim you didn't receive it even though you did, because those sellers wouldn't be able to provide any tracking and ebay will decide the case in your favor 100% of the time so you'd end up with item PLUS your moneyback.

    Mind you, this is just an observation I noticed as a seller and it seems like this is what buyers could simply do and get away with it? Is there some sort of tracking system on ebay to watch out for buyers who have a history of opening many cases claiming item not received or can you do this unlimited amount of times without any way ebay can redflag a buyer that claims so many non-received items? I haven't seen anything that penalizes buyers if they open up too many non-received item cases. Does anyone know if I'm correct or can you correct me?

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  2. Old Dog

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    There are gaping loopholes all over Ebay allowing buyers to scam sellers. Ebay does not give a shit about seller protection and these pieces of shit get away with it all the time. If you want to sell on Ebay you gotta be prepared to take it in the ass every now and again.
     
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    bolkyaresha Registered Member

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    buyer also many times dont get protection buddy,item not dscribed was not befre 3 years ago and many peiple got duped
     
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    It happens all the time. That's why unless you're getting 10x markup on your items, you would be crazy to ship anything without tracking
     
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    Alchemizt Regular Member

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    trcking, or at least delivery confirmation is free with almost any USPS, UPS or Fedex shipping service, so I hardly think its a big loophole to exploit. The item not as described guys are the real problem.

    Edit: you can report a buyer if they scam you. Too many reports and eBay will allegedly limit their account, but theres no way to know if they really take any action on these guys.
     
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  7. whothefisalex

    whothefisalex Regular Member

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    i was selling full-time on eBay for 2+ years, and soon learned that you must send everything signed for. but a lot of buyers will still try to screw you.

    and always remember, when there's a dispute eBay will ALWAYS side with the buyer at every given opportunity.

    so the answer to your question is yes, as a buyer you can scam sellers all day long, and eBay will help you.
     
  8. MikeyMikey13

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    Lol I have to say i've been this type of guy for when the delivery company leave my parcels out in my garden.

    It pisses me off, even if they have proof it was delivered. I just say to ebay/amazon that it couldn't have been delivered as no one was in.

    No signature. No delivery. Teach those lazy delivery companies a lesson as the seller can claim against the insurance of the delivery company.
     
  9. Alchemizt

    Alchemizt Regular Member

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    Your'e not teaching the delivery companies anything. Insurance is a real pain in the ass to collect and if they didnt add signature conf they probably didnt insure either. What you are doing is stealing from the buyer. Now if you want to be a thief, I have no problems with that, but lets call it what it is.
     
  10. MikeyMikey13

    MikeyMikey13 Supreme Member

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    Do you remember what website you are on? Black hat world... where finding a loophole in systems is common ground. and strictly talking about the UK. When using RM all parcels are insured for up to £20.

    Why should I have to take my parcels in from out of the rain left behind my bin without knowing they are even there? It is not acceptable at all.
     
  11. Alchemizt

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    I know exactly where I'm at. And like I said, I don't have a problem with you being a thief if you want to be. Im just saying be a Man and own that shit, dont try to sugar coat it to make yourself feel better about it. Either you have the stomach for stealing or you dont. Not everyone does, but I will tell you this; A thief is a lot more Honorable than a hypocrite in my book. Just sayin.

    As far as your packages on the lawn, talk to your freaking delivery guy, complain to his boss, if thats your real issue. But if you wanna steal, then be a man and call yourself a thief.
     
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  12. oatmeal

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    This is very depressing to hear. I've ordered tons of stuff from China over the years from toys, memory cards, other computer parts, etc, mostly cheap stuff (under $50) and they never ship with tracking. So, I just realized that I could easily claim I never got anything after 45 days, open up a case, and I'd win 100% for sure since I know they didn't use tracking (as they never do, since they ship for free worldwide). I've never done this intentionally because I'm not a scammer at heart, but I see how obvious and simple it would be to do this and make a ton of money doing it?

    This is why I also asked, how many times can a buyer claim "item not received" in a short time period (1 year?). Does ebay have a system that flags buyers that open up item not received cases if they do it more than 10 times a month? A year? Because clearly, we as sellers, do not have the privilege of being able to see this. They didn't make a "buyer rating" AFAIK like they did a "seller performance rating".
     
  13. Alchemizt

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    I seriously doubt your gonna "make a ton of money" doing this. I'm pretty sure your gonna get flagged and limited if you take it to that extreme. Look, again I have no problem if you guys wanna be theives for a living but for Christ sake go big or go home.

    Grow a set of balls and commit some real crimes. Nothing worse than a sneaky little small time scammer. Think risk vs reward. Little risk = little reward. Big risk = big reward (or big bubba nailing you from behind in the prison showers).
     
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    You will get flagged after a few times and even things from china post have tracking numbers nowadays. There are more effective ways to scam ebay sellers, but once a few report you your account will be fried. Ebay is pretty good at linking new accounts you open as well. In fact if you get suspended it is not uncommon for them to suspend other people that are connected to you as well.

    Ebay by default protects the shit out of the buyer.

    -Scammed plenty of ebayers on both sides of the sale. (I know, I'm a horrible person).
     
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    this is random but i just got a jacket delivered from china. The zipper is fucken broken! & its too small. The guy told me he can give me a 25% refund SMH. So I disputed it . On the product it says "

    "Returns:
    30 days money back, free return shipping | See details

    Guarantee:
    Money Back Guarantee | See Details
    Get the item you ordered or get your money back.
    Covers your purchase price and original shipping."

    will ebay be on my side?
     
  16. Alchemizt

    Alchemizt Regular Member

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    You should be good to go. Seems pretty cut and dry.
     
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    From my experience, I have had a case which buyer opened a case of item not received, even though the tracking information showed that he received the package. Ebay decided in the buyer's favor .

    Yes they can scam sellers on ebay, but not for long... they would probably get their accounts shut down. (PP+Ebay)
     
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    Honestly Paypal's dispute/ claim system is a joke. I was a power seller on ebay up until last year when I just gave up because of the claims crap. It is pretty much always decided in favour of the buyer unless you can provide tracking which is just not viable on cheap products. I am a bit cynical but in my opinion you will be happier if you open your own store and sell through there. You tend to get fewer problems with buyers, eBay seems to attract a huge amount of scamming buyers.

    So to answer the OP's question, yes you could do that but after a few attempts and enough sellers making enough of a fuss some action would be taken. Over my 2 years of selling I did hear of one person being taken to the small claims court.

    PS. If you are ever considering selling any digital products on eBay, just don't. Its an absolute nightmare.
     
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    I wouldn't doubt it if they were scamming folks.
     
  20. supermoon

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    Ebay is a scammers paradise. If you are a power seller you count the scams as part of business cost and cut on your profits.