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Calling Out All The Naysayer's

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Asif WILSON Khan, Oct 12, 2013.

  1. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Obviously, there has been a lot of drama on BHW recently, which has been a distraction, but I am sure we will recover quickly.

    The one thing that has got my goat and grinds my gears is the continued assumption that BHW was better in the good old days.
    This is mainly said by long term, old time members.
    I say to you, that it was no better, or no worse than it is today.
    It was just a different beast.

    Scanning through the archives shows a lot of truly great and innovative methods being shared.
    Most of them, can still be worked today if twisted.
    At the time BHW was also a lot Blacker in nature, with many subjects open for discussion, which are now not permitted.
    A lot of those subjects, would in fact be illegal now.
    Also, the community was a lot smaller, which meant methods lasted longer before becoming saturated.

    Quality Methods in those days seemed to be shared frequently by many members, which was obviously a terrific thing.
    But now, I see a lot of old members saying that quality has decreased or nothing gets shared.
    I also see numerous complaints about The Lounge.
    Complaining is fine but I don't see what you guy's are doing to rectify things.

    Rather than hold on to the past, let us look to the future.
    So old timer's, what are your plans to make BHW even greater?
    Will you be sharing your methods?
    Will you be helping to improve the quality of BHW?
    Or have you run out of viable methods.
    Rather than moan about things, why don't you be proactive and practice what you preach?

    These questions are normally replied to with the excuse that the forum is too large now and that any method will become saturated by noobs such as myself.
    So we are left with the situation, that people continually complain about quality, but then do nothing to improve it.
    This does nothing for the forum.

    The crux of the matter, is simply that the forum has changed.

    Where BHW may have once been purely a Black Hat forum with a smallish membership it has since developed into a more general Business/IM forum with a huge membership.
    I am sure it will continue to change in the future.
    A good forum will continue to change and adapt to it's member's needs.

    Old timers, the old BHW is long gone.
    Get over it, unless you are in a position to close the membership and just have the selected members you want in BHW, there is no point complaining.

    BHW will continue to grow in size, because of this, we are likely to see less NEW methods, as people will be afraid of over-saturation or a method being destroyed by the inexperienced.

    This does not mean that BHW has lost any quality or that is no longer a valid resource.

    I see great things being shared everyday by old and new members alike.



    To all you complainers and dissenters, I say this to you:

    Do something to improve BHW or quit complaining.

    If you really feel that BHW is no longer the place for you, then you know where the door is.

    Alternatively, put your complaints to the only man that can do anything for you, ie DD but I am sure DD did not buy this forum because of his love of BlackHat SEO and IM, I would imagine he purchased it for a return on his investment.

    Remember, complaining without action is doing nothing to help BHW.
     
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  2. steelballs

    steelballs BANNED BANNED

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    When any company and/or individual has a broad based business like BHW, with the width of the operating base comes niche divisions and some members will just contribute to a limited number of sectors. - Which is just fine!

    Some members may be very active daily on scatter gun base ? contributing to many threads as they pop up. - Which is just fine!

    Some members may stick to just the BST selling and delivering services - Which is just fine!

    Some contributors may only pitch in the Lounge - Which is just fine!

    Members come ? members go that is how business has functioned for centuries. ? Which is Life!

    On and on the posts and threads go, but many may be for several reasons (each to their own) not able or interested in seeing the big business picture which is to see BHW firing on all cylinders across the width and depth of the site - Which is the optimum ROI!
     
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  3. notyourmatey

    notyourmatey Power Member

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    i dont care about methods- all methods shared in public are not effected after being published. i am not very old member of bhw but i remember that there was no so much negativity and arguments as now. and no such a ridicolous threads about wiping ass
     
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    So do you use paper or water?
     
  5. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Absolutely, I just hope for all the complaining and negativity to come to an end.
     
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    I am working as an seo consultant after learning SEO methods and guides here and now getting a nice income every month after learning IM here,BHW is a place where you can find thousands of ways to make money and learn new seo methods.I'm a member of some other blackhat forums also but BHW is and will remain the best.
     
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    Nice post W130SN. Be the change you want to see.
     
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  9. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    ShadeDream That is a +rep post in my opinion. Lovely Jubbly


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  10. Chris22

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    Another day, another meta BHW thread..
     
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  12. Black.Star

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    I love how every third thread ends in an ass/tits thread. Keep classy BHW :D
     
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    Is only butts. Why you heff to be mad?

    All of us are aware that the old members who posted stuff were, um, new when they posted, yeah? Like, a member who joined in 2008 and made a post in 2008 is new back then but old to us. This makes sense, right? The quality of the new members(except for like, maybe a dozen) is lower and this proves it I hope. But who cares?

    In posting so many methods publicly, they got ran down. That's why there is a jr vip+ forums.

    What were the methods? Routine business ideas applied to IM/SEO. Finding an exploit in policy or code. Straight up theft.

    What is it now? The same as the stuff back then was already old. Unless you develop new code/script or a platform, you'll invariably do the business methods that have been tried and true and are in your school books. Should we, you know, copy and paste our school book lessons and attach them to every aspect of IM/SEO? We could, we have enough spoons to feed every BHW member till they have methods coming out their ears.

    Find a method, any method, from any time, and break it down until you understand it. What was "new" about the method that you didn't understand before? Probably nothing.

    We also never had threads like this, or as Chris said, so many meta threads. This is new to the recent membership who critique instead of do. Critique begets critique, and poor behavior begets chastising.

    To answer a question: Will we share methods, in public? Absolutely not. We learned. Welcome to BHW 2013.
     
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  14. Chris22

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    Imagine what it's going to be like in a year or two when the current generation of new members mature who are currently soaking up all the meta and rep babble. We're going to have meta-meta-meta-threads!
     
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    Why should members share a method? Maybe they need some additional tweaking or the method needs testing by a wide group of experts and non-experts. I don't know, but maybe we should share "meta methods", without giving the details away or basic principles that everybody can take, expand and twist it to make their own.

    I am new here, but I like the great diversity of this forum. It is very international and the broad offer of ideas, methods, strategies is what makes this forum great. Let's make it even bigger and better, why not? The international base of the forum can take many ideas to new levels and new members can bring freshness.

    I dislike the general mentality that comes up when noobs ask something that seems to be obvious/or old. The condescending manner doesn't contribute in any way (answers like: "search it", "why don't you google it"). Even if the question is about something obvious, somebody else can answer that again but with a new angle, with other words or even an idea that is a nugget of gold. I've seen very basic questions being answered with fantastic answers and there was just one simple sentence that I could extract and expand.

    MHO.

    PS: Probably we have to think about methods/strategies that don't get saturated or don't "break apart" if thousands start using them. I have to grow myself in order to give back. I thank all the good contributors - you make this place great.
     
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  17. Asif WILSON Khan

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    The truth is, I am not actually asking ANYBODY to share ANYTHING.

    I just think its time, EVERYBODY stopped complaining about EVERYTHING.

    Especially The Lounge and the so called decline in quality.
     
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    You complain about stuff all the time. We are all the same.
     
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    ShadeDream Elite Member

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    Now that is true. :)
     
  20. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    True and the buck stops here.