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Calling All PBN Experts: Can You Stay 'Hidden' When Buying from GD Auctions?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by SEOExplored, Sep 2, 2014.

  1. SEOExplored

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    Hey Guys,

    I know the question in the title may be a little confusing but I hope a) I might clarify myself a little better here and b) may be able to get some insight from the PBN experts here.

    For the past 3 weeks I've been getting up at 4am (thanks Australian time zones) to get 'first look' at the expireddomains list each day. Long story short, no matter how early I am up, I never seem to 'get the worm' with domains snatched up by the time I'm 3/4 of the way through the analyzing process.

    Naturally, while I understand there is a lot of competition for these domains, this is still frustrating as hell considering the effort I'm putting in (and sleep I'm robbing myself of prior to heading to a 9-5 job!)

    I've decided instead to raise my budget pay a little more than the $8 reg fee and instead turn to GD-style auctions/close outs to grab domains for my PBN. I know it will cost more but I think might give me a better chance to actually get some reward for effort.

    I do know, however, that registering ALL of your PBN domains on the one host (i.e. GD) is not a wise move as it may leave a noticeable footprint.

    I'd love to know - from people who have already established their own PBN networks - is there is a way for me to buy these high DA/PA domains from GD and still 'hide' the potential footprint that it may leave?

    As always, I really appreciate anyone who takes the time to give me their thoughts.

    Cheers!
     
  2. sn0rt

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    OP, good on you for taking action.

    You're losing those domains because the ones that are grabbing them are using bots for the task.
     
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  3. SEOExplored

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    Firstly snOrt, thanks for taking the time to reply, mate.

    I figured that'd be the case re: bots but learned a long time ago that in IM there is no use crying about stuff like that because hard work is seldom rewarded in the short-term.

    The most frustrating part is that - not being gifted re: software dev - getting my hands on a similar both (or making one for that matter) will most likely prove to be impossible.

    If you've got any further insight you'd like to share though, my PM Inbox is always open :p

     
  4. jamesjk1

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    Hey mate,

    Being in Aus, I too suffer from those 4-5am auctions. Us aussies always seem to luck-out with time differences. Anyway...I certainly wouldn't call myself an 'expert', but I do have experience with building a PBN. That said, here is my advice:

    Regarding the closeout domains - What I do is instead of hanging around at expireddomains, hoping to catch a decent one with a few backlinks and maybe a PR of 1-2 for $5 or so is actually go to the godaddy auctions marketplace, go to close-out domains, extract a list of the domain names, then run them through majesticseo bulk checker and pa/da bulk checker. Any domain with ~10+ TF, and PA 20+ gets my attention and warrants a quick bit of further investigation (non-spammy backlink profile etc...). Using this method I've managed to catch quite a few good domains that were actually niche-relevant. Keep trying mate and good things will come.

    Now, regarding the 'proper' auctions - You can definitely pick up some higher-aulity domains this way, but like you said, you can expect to pay a bit more.

    As far as I'm aware there is no issue with buying these expired domains through godaddy. Whar you WILL want to do however, is to host them on separate hosts and make sure the whois info is different for each. That said, you can use other places like namejet and snapnames if you want to diversify a bit.

    A few other quick notes:
    1. As others have said countless times, don't buy based on PR
    2. Don't count out PR 0 and N/A domains. These can hold some really good link-juice. You'll also find you pay A LOT less for them.
    3. Keep trying. To get the best domains requires some leg-work. You sound like you're doing all the right things, so keep trying :)

    Hope that helps a bit.

    Jon
     
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    OP, check PM (and more chars as it bloody needed)
     
  6. SEOExplored

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    Much, much appreciated, Jon!

    It's just nice to know that there is another Aussie out there struggling with the eye-rubbing 4am starts too and it gives me a bit of a motivation shot to know that you're finding a way to build your PBN in spite of those setbacks. :)

     
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    TC, if Google can see your pbn, its not hidden at all.

    I would bet $1k right now that I can find your indexed pbns even if they dont show up in ahrefs, majestic and similar stuff. :cool:
     
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    Considering I haven't bought a single domain yet, I'd probably be happy to take you up on that $1k bet ;)

     
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    No problem, man. Yeah, you just gotta' do what's necessary :)

    Let me know if I can be any more help. All the best, Jon
     
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    I've read so many PBN guides and not once has any of them regarded buying domains from one registrar detrimental.
     
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    That registering ALL of your PBN domains on the one host.

    All domains are registered with registrars and sites are hosted on hosts. if you are that much worried then just transfer few of your domains to other registrars.
    -=-

     
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    Am I right in reading you are asking about registering them all with one registrar not hosting them all on one host?
     
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    This ^^

    The best domains are generally the ones the rest of the pack aren't buying!

    Nothing works better than a full version of ahref's / majestic and using your noggin to figure out if the link juice is worth anything.
     
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    It's not detrimental but I've a theory on the holes people leave when building a PBN.

    I suspect it's precisely these types of holes: all from same registrar, all wordpress, all private whois - that will come round to bite quite a few pbn owners in the long run.

    These PBN's cost a tonne of cash to set-up and some SEO firms base they business around them. It pays to be overly protective of them.
     
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    That's right, guys.

    I know that hosting all of your PBN sites on the one host is SEO suicide but I wondered if there was a similar footprint issue re: registering them all on the one registrar re: GoDaddy?

    Obviously, when you spot some great sites from GoDaddy Auctions you can't just go and buy them over at NameSilo etc so you're forced to register them with GD.

    I just want to know if registering the vast majority of your expired domains in this way would be a problem, even if you DID then host with countless other hosts?

     
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    I just wanted to see if anyone had any further input about this question: ^^^