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C Breaker vs C Sniper v4 beta - Texas Death Cage Match Part Deux

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by TheEditor, Apr 12, 2013.

  1. TheEditor

    TheEditor Regular Member

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    BHW user mikeybobikey asked me to rerun my original captcha testing with the Captcha Sniper v4 beta in place of CS 3. I was happy to oblige. If you'd like to read the original round of testing here it is:

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/547611-captcha-breaker-vs-captcha-sniper-texas-death-cage-match.html

    Below are the results of ~24 hours of testing I did with both solvers. The testing was done on my VPS with Berman Hosting. I am a happy Berman customer and if you're looking for a VPS they deserve consideration. Each solver was run in conjunction with GSA's Search Engine Ranker software. For this project I ran a campaign on 4 sites with 3 tiers apiece - same settings as in my previous round of testing.

    Tale of the tape:

    Catpcha Sniper v4 beta alone for 24 hrs:

    SER reports 27285 link submissions 436 verified
    CS says it "attempted" 9293 of 12861 (72%) solved with an average time of ~0.065.

    Captcha Breaker alone for 24 hrs:

    SER reports 25302 link submissions, 397 verified
    CB says it "recognized" 8467 of 11320 with average time of 0.221.


    Note that overall numbers were down for both solvers when compared to the first round of testing. I suspect the keyword batch is going a bit stale. CS bettered CB by about 10% both in submissions and verified links. CS went first. Testing time was very close to 23 hours 45 minutes for both solvers. The testing time was shortened just a bit as Sven pushed out a pair of updates to SER during each solver's testing period. Each of the update pairs came at about the same time.

    The CSv4b reports a dramatically shorter average solve time then CS3. Again this should be taken with a grain of salt. The code is not open to inspection. But if you sit in front of CSv4b and watch it for a minute or five its not hard to see that it is faster then CS3.

    There are a large number of captcha types. I'm sure that at some types CS is better then CB and vice versa. Test results are in some measure dependent on the types of captchas encountered on the platforms and targets. I'd bet that on my first tier my projects probably don't share so much in common with the average SER user. On the lower tiers my stuff is going to look a lot more like yours. Your mileage may vary.

    Another thing I noticed. The CPU % numbers that SER reported when CSv4b was active were much lower then CS3 and definitely lower then CB. I don't know why this would be. Maybe Sven could address this. I don't really know what CPU % represents - the total load on the CPU or just SER's? But the % is low enough that I'd feel comfortable upping my SER thread count with CSv4b. For both this testing project and the previous one I used 30 threads. I may up that to 40 with CSv4b. That should increase performance but the relationship between thread count and link submission almost certainly ain't linear so caveat emptor.

    I'm currently running a test of SER using both CSv4b and CB. Previous testing indicated that either solver working alone is more productive then using both. Maybe this time it will be different.

    In any case its clear that CSv4b is a big improvement over CS3. Its nicer to look at, its faster, it offers more control. It does *not* have a self-updating facility like either SER or CB. Mikey has said the CSv4 will have a menu option to check for an update but not actually download and install it for you. You can see the menu option in CSv4b. I didn't test it.
     
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  2. myownhero

    myownhero Power Member Premium Member

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    Captcha case studies are pretty hard to really measure, since it would require you to break down the actual captcha types you are solving. It looks like CS had more submissions going through it than GSA did which can skew results (time isn't really a good metric to base this off of), but they're both pretty neck and neck.

    If there is a significant difference I'd like to know specifically what it is - is it solving captchas more efficiently (unlikely) or is it solving captchas that GSA doesn't (likely)? For me I don't really care if it can crack an extra captcha for some random engine that I don't use, for me the only way for one of these engines to clearly win is to support Recaptcha first.
     
  3. TheEditor

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    I think you may be waiting for Godot on that one.

     
  4. manny2513

    manny2513 Junior Member

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    I am glad to see that Mike is steeping up his game. I think GSA CB was a good thing for CS customers as it motivated CS developers to improve and make CS a much better tool than what it was before as they didn't have competition which proves that having competition is not always bad it actually helps you become better.
     
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    I request to have a test on recaptcha solving ability of both. CB passes that to third party but CS does not , does this latest CS increased recaptcha solving ability a bit?
     
  6. prospect7

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    I want to know this too please. If CS can't pass to 3rd party I'm going to get CBreaker. That's a really important feature for me.

    Anyone got info on this?
     
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    Paman Gugel Newbie

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    both, CB and CS save us a lot of money wasting to stupid capthca...
     
  8. TheEditor

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    Beta is not for general release. But Mikey has been pretty liberal with it. If you PM him I'd think he'll probably give it to you.

     
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    BHopkins Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I agree with the above poster that it's irrelevant and the first to crack recaptcha wins.
     
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  10. naweed

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    Can the new version send the captcha to third party services like death by captcha?
     
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    lucabrasi Regular Member

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    Way to go to Mikey for working on the new release. I won't ask for a beta version, I am not a sophisticated user so my testing wouldn't be useful but, I am glad to see he's working on a new version.

    Any idea when it will come out?

    Being able to pass to a third party wold be nice but, Ultimate Demon will automatically pass it to my second captcha solving service if it needs to. So will most other link building automation software. At least it says it does, so why is that important.

    "Why is that important" is a question, not an attempt to belittle anyone. As I stated, I don't know much about this stuff.
     
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  12. beaglejuice

    beaglejuice Power Member

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    ROFL, he's been working on it for the longest time just like his ancient forum poster. Meantime, c breaker has been releasing updates after updates that by the time c sniper releases an update or new version it is passe.

     
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  13. mikeybobikey

    mikeybobikey Junior Member

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    Just to make sure that you know its out ... in case you dont follow the sales thread and only follow this one. You're right, it's not all that important since most tools already have this capability as you pointed out.