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Buying expired domains with PR

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by TeamRoyster, Sep 30, 2011.

  1. TeamRoyster

    TeamRoyster Regular Member

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    I'm having a look at buying some expired domains with PR.

    Here is one example -

    http://www.loanuscredit.com/

    Currently has a PR2 when I check but no backlinks listed in Yahoo or MajesticSEO.

    Can someone explain this to me please? Is the PR fake?

    If purchase this domain will the PR automatically reset to 0?

    Cheers in advance.
     
  2. Derviie

    Derviie Regular Member

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  3. TeamRoyster

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    I would aim to much higher PR sites and be sure site has a very strong backlink profile, so you may have some PR left on site after initial PR take down. They say PR is zeroed when its expired. Its has happened to me and most people I know, but sometimes it climbs up again, reason unknown and not been able to forecast. You can do certain things to maintain PR, but then just cross your fingers. I would also see traffic stats to the site, and if site has more or less subpages indexed and raking as well, not only homepage. And yes, faking seems to be easy. I wouldn't buy site with PR 2 having no proof of back links.

    But I'm sure there are much more experienced domain buyers here, I'm keen to hear experiences from fellows.
     
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  5. TeamRoyster

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    Hi Fimms,

    I was just using that as an example.

    Do you know any way to preserve PR when transfering over?
     
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    Avoid buying domains with only a couple of backlinks, especially from places like digitalpoint, where people will artificially boost a domain for sale, then remove the backlinks.
     
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    I think its risky game what ever you do. But you should keep same registrar, you should try to keep same content as original site. You want to keep building links and if possible try to keep those that already points to your site, which is of course very hard to achieve if linkers decide other way.

    But saying that, sometimes PR is maintained even registrar changes and content changes. Thats why I don't know any exact rules for it.

    It resembles SERP. Sometimes SEO works, sometimes it doesn't. Those who can play with quantities, they may have certain percent of success and that enough, if you know and can do that. But for single site owner, its like playing dices.

     
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    I agree with the above comment. Aim for a site with a higher PR if you're gonna do this.
     
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    I'd look more for an older solid URL, with lower PR (which is too easy to manipulate) and a good history. A good aged URL is easy to rank and there are loads that have been sitting on the internet 'shelf' for years with little attention and no bad-practices.
     
  10. jon_xx_x

    jon_xx_x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Every expired domain I bought kept the PR.
    Not only that, but I have registered expired names, with zero PR, but I researched the backlinks and they looked good, and couple weeks after I put a site up, PR came back.
    Got a PR of 5 (.ca) like this, 1-2 4s and a bunch of 3s.
    That being said if you're trying ot build a network, or links to your money site, you don't want a ton of these, as they aren't aged at all.
     
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    Where can I buy expired domains? If that's not a dumb question to ask ...
     
  12. jon_xx_x

    jon_xx_x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    There are sites like namejet, and snapnames. They are $60 though, to backorder.
    Ones I was talking about have been deleted days or weeks ago, so are only $10. Sure saves a lot of money!
     
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    Sombrero Senior Member

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    With no backlinks the PR is going to be worthless.
     
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    Generally speaking I stay away from expired domains.

    Things I look for when buying a domain.

    1. Does the domain have any pages indexed in Google and how many?
    2. The PR of the main page and is there any additional interior pages with PR,
    3. The age of the domain and has it been dropped. Being dropped does not mean I will not buy it but it will affect how much I will pay. Also if it has been dropped was it before the last PR update. If a domain was dropped before the last update as opposed to after I will pay more for it.
    4. How many backlinks and their quality
    5. How many of the quality backlinks will stick even if I change the site content. (This one is important, a bunch of high PR links will do you no good if you are going to lose them. )
     
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    OK I got to typing and did not really answer your question. What I do that usually works

    1. Make sure that there are no orphaned links. I either add a page for all the indexed pages or I setup 301's on them.

    2. Add content to the site as quickly as possible, related if I know what was on the site but if not pretty much any content will do.

    3. private whois at the same time the domain is transferred.
     
  16. TeamRoyster

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    I purchased 5 expiring domains with PR as a test.

    I've not bothered doing the first point but have put a wordpress blog on quickly and registered with private whois.

    On top of that, I've built about 20 PR4 & PR5 backlinks to each site.

    When would it be most likely for the domain to lose it's PR? Is it at the next Google PR update?

    Cheers.
     
  17. Mutikasa

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    which tool do u use for searching domains?
     
  18. TeamRoyster

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    I'm Scrapebox to find the domains.
     
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    backlinks are very important - Without them the PR is going to be useless.
     
  20. dcuthbert

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    I've bought a couple of expired domains with PR2-4, and usually the PR resets to 0 during the next update (probably because the site is now completely different, with different content), but then the PR update after that it usually jumps back up, although usually one level below the original PR.

    eg I bought a domain which was PR3 before it expired, it went down to PR0, but then back up to PR2. Then it's just business as usual with building backlinks to get it higher.