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Buying expired domains with links from Forbes, Techcrunch, NY Times etc...

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  1. clean99

    clean99 Junior Member

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    I see a lot of services right now offering to sell expired domains with links from high authority domains like Forbes, Tech Crunch, Huffington Post, NY Times etc... Does anybody have experience with using these domains for PBN? Do they help ranking your money sites? Are they just as effective as domains that have not been expired?

    Thank you
     
  2. aussiejack

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    Its one good link but not enough. I am certainly not a PBN expert but I gained some experiences in the last 6months or so. From what I experienced you need a lot of strong backlinks for a PBN to make a real difference. I had some expired domains with 1-2 prominent backlinks but not so much more. These domains performed not as good as other domains with no prominent (but still solid) backlinks but the DP was higher. Thus you need quality but also some mass.

    For me "Get expired domains with forbes / huffington post etc backlinks" is marketing above all
     
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    I have a small network of sites. Most of them are not expired domains and they work well for me.

    It's just seems like a good deal buying expired domains. You pay only $12 registration fee. MOZ and Majestic stats of these domains seem to be pretty high (from images I saw that people share on sale threads).
     
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    I dont think they are good for pbn domains (some might be depending on the backlink profile) but you can buy a few and use them as redirects.
     
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    Lol...your title is a little bit off :) Regarding the question,you can buy a decent site already for a small price.Obviously the higher the stats...the price will go through the roof
     
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    Why don't you think so? If domains have decent links then why wouldn't they help rankings? Does Google treat these differently? I was thinking about getting some in my niche and rebuilding the site

    Ya...I didnt think that one through lol. I look for domains with CF/TF 10+ and MOZ DA 20+. Most of those domains cost $100+. That's a pretty big difference in price. I was just wondering if anybody had luck ranking their money sites using these expired domains
     
  7. rogerke

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    Expired domains with links from authority domains are just a fad for the most part. It's pretty damn simple, but almost no one seems to understand the simple principle of how the flow of link juice works.

    Just do a simple site site:nytimes.com search and you'll see they have 35 million (!) indexed pages. So chances are pretty damn high the backlink to your expired domain is on a back alley of the "authority domain" and holds literally no link juice. This is also why you get misconceptions by people like aussiejack that think you need a lot of strong backlinks, while the truth of the matter is those backlinks aren't as strong as he thinks they are. In fact they're probably worthless.

    Moral of the story: if the page your backlink is on is not close to the homepage (or a strong subpage) and/or has no strong backlinks itself, your "authority domain" backlink is as worthless as any other generic link.

    For christ sake, it's so damn easy. Just download the Alexa million list. Bulk check it for PR. Extract the PR 7 domains, crawl them in batches of 100 in XENU with a depth of 2 or 3, and you'll get the juiciest expired domains possible for just the registration fee. That's just one of the ways I build up my PBN of 100's of domains with the strongest backlinks possible.

    *PS. don't bother putting the PR>8 domains into XENU, a little birdie told me those expired domains are all gone :)
     
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    clean99 Junior Member

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    Okay but from what you wrote here I take that expired domains still hold SEO value and can be used to rank money sites. Is that correct?

    I was also wondering what kind of links are those "authority links"? Are those contextual links in articles or just some profile or comment links? If it's comment links than they are indeed worthless. And yes you are right about them being worth something if there are strong inner pages. Too bad you can't see the domain until you pay the money to those service providers...

    Thanks for your reply and tips!
     
  9. SteveWaller

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    The trick is to look at the PR of the linking page on the authority site - yes I know that toolbar PR hasn't been updated in a long time, but it gives a good indication of how much of the homepage juice is/was flowing to the internal page where you backlink exists. Either that or it shows that there are some external links pointing at the page in question.

    You'll quite often find that news articles on sites like NY Times or the BBC are quoted some place else with a reference link to the article - this gets around the issue of juice flowing from the homepage or powerful internal page.

    One thing will say about links from authority sites is that they infer a level of trust that is hard to get from other types of backlink and this alone will help your rankings in a small way.
     
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    Yes of course they hold a lot of link juice. Look up how PR works and the fascinating fact that its scale is logarithmic. A genuine PR 5 link holds hundreds to thousands times (depening on the exact logarithmic scale, which is unknown) more link juice than a link from a PR 0 page.

    The vast, vast majority of the links I find are contextual or just general links on the page. In fact, even if you tried, it's pretty darn hard to find blog comment or profile links using that specific Xenu method.

    I agree with you about those service providers. The sad fact is that most of those domains aren't even worth the registration fee. It's way cheaper to find your own quality expired domains.

    Edit: I just want to mention the poster above me. He's one of the few people who knows the principles behind quality expired domain search. Can't vouch for his service, or the quality of his domains for that matter, but he definitely knows how to correctly find great ones.
     
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    ahhh, well noted, will deleted all other domains. Thanks :)
     
  12. clean99

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    That's a very good point Steve. I don't get when people say that its okay that Google doesn't update PR anymore because it was useless for a long time. Sure they didn't update it often enough but it still gace the idea of how Google evaluates their site. Sometimes I see deindexed domains with great TF/CF and MOZ DA/PA which shows that Majestic and MOZ metrics are not always correct. Or when Google PR used to get updated I saw some PR0 sites with TF/CF 30+... Thank you for the pointers!

    Thank you for your input. I will try crawling sites myself and if not try out some service providers. I have tried using Xenu on one of the directory sites just for a test and indeed found one expired websites that could be register. The only problem was that it crawled the entire site and crawled all internal pages although I set settings so only external links to be crawled... Did you have a problem like that?
     
  13. rogerke

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    I'd disregard directories and go for the straight gold from real authority domains. Google a list of high PR domains, or better yet, download the Alexa million list, check the domains for PR, and extract all high PR (PR>7) domains.

    You probably had the crawl settings to deep to deep if it crawled the entire site. Go to options>preferences>maximum depth and set it at 2 or 3. This way you'll only get backlinks which are 2-3 levels away from the homepage (i.e. hold a ton of link juice). No point in getting back alley backlinks, no matter what the root domain metrics are.
     
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    Hey there!

    What site or backlink profile checker (like ahref or majestic SEO) are you going to use to check spammy PBN domains?
    Or just check the PBN domain backlink one by one using the Xenu?

    Sorry but this is my first time hearing about that Xenu.
    Does it scrape and shows all the PBN backlinks and if it is expired or not? Am I right?

    Will search it google though want to read your answer.
    Newbie in PBN.
     
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    "Just a fad". But who determines that fad? Is it distributors? No. It's the market. Always the market.

    If there was no demand for these types of domains there wouldn't be a fad in the first place. And seriously, the process you described of "just download the alexa million list, then check for pr when pr is the most easily manipulated and overhyped metric, then crawl them in batches of 100... shake the rabit out the hat and wala... you just got the juiciest, spammed if not hacked piece of shit domain ever.

    I would really love for you to make a video showing how "damn easy" the process is. Finding a clean domain with great backlinks is like finding a needle in a haystack. It's damn time consuming. Rely on software and metrics you're just being lazy and more likely to find turds that way.

    Don't get it twisted. I'm no PBN expert, but you don't need to be one to realize that really good domains are really hard to find. The domains I just spend $500 on, I'd love to see how many hours it would take you just to find 1 of the domains I got.

    Domain mining is like any other form of mining. It's dirty, time consuming, the more popular it gets the harder and harder it's gonna be to find the real diamonds in the rough.

    I'm buying domains exactly like the OP described from someone I trust. And I'm damn happy with the domains I got. I'll be using a variety of different techniques. I'll be outsourcing higher end domains from sellers on here, I'll be using high to mid tier hosts, and I'll be doing the lazy, "damn easy" method of finding them myself, or buying shitty domains for $5 a pop and throwing them all on cheap ass $1 hosting. Then I'll compare the results and see for myself.

    But instincts tell me the process you describe, when I implement it, cause I'm in a rush and got a business to run... cause I don't have 6-8 hours / day to look for solid ass domains.... I'm more likely to fuck up things that way. And another benefit of buying domains from good sellers is you learn what experienced marketers look for. Experienced marketers don't register any ol piece of shit domain.

    And before anyone utters a word about my sig, I'm not being paid a dime for that shit. I promote that service for free cause the owner is the REASON I grew the balls to start my own PBN. Without him, I'd still be buying overpriced links from the marketplace. I'd still be subjecting my money sites to shitty public networks. Cause he HELPED ME for MONTHS before I even started my PBN. He made very difficult conepts SIMPLE to understand. Not "easy", he showed me the RIGHT WAY over the LAZY WAY. He took the training wheels off my bike. I'm sorry but anytime I hear a marketer referring to something as a "fad" or "damn easy" I immediately think, "this dudes blowing smoke up peoples asses". That's just my opinion. Not saying it's right. But I definitely think you're slipping more into the realm of marketing ideals rather than marketing realities.

    -BB
     
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    Sounds like your mad because you couldn't figure out how to do it yourself.

    Its pretty damn easy when you know what your doing :D

    And your wrong about the 6-8 hours. It not at all time consuming lol

    More like 30 minutes actual manual work...most of the time is spent scraping/harvesting/checking waiting for the software to finish processing lists. Meanwhile your waiting you can be working on other aspects of the IM business. Each time you can find +20 or more quality domains with solid backlink profiles.

    You would be surprised at the quality of domains still out there.

    Nice sig by the way.
    If you promote the sig for free why the need for tracking.
     
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    I can't really agree with you, but are you certain 301 redirects still works?

    Because like a few months ago, all domains ranking in a high competition page, using 301 redirects got hit and till date, has not yet recovered from it.. Including Mine.

    Do 301 redirects still works?
     
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    Scrapbox: Turn on.
    Footprint: site:domain.com
    Save to list
    Check outgoing links
    Import to godaddy mass domain check

    you're done
     
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    LOL. 20 domains / 30 mins = 1.5 minutes per domain = GARBAGE. When you scrape those 20 domains that have hundreds of backlinks are you going through all those links manually? Are you looking at the sites they're on? Looking at all the content? Checking each link for scripts, hacks, inflated metrics, spam, etc? I thought that's how real pros do it and that shit takes time.

    Furthermore, I see more than enough experienced marketers buying / recommending these domains to know they're worth their weight in salt. Why would execs, jr execs and long term SEO's be vouching if they weren't good? Netmoney, Texchan, Bk071, ucozer, etc I'm not gonna list them all. But when I see names I know, names I trust, raving about domains they received, REGARDLESS of whether it was a review copy or they paid in full, I'm taking them on their collective word. I know dudes will rosetint review copies but dudes won't rosetint what they pay for. And respected members aren't vouching for a product that's not worth its weight in salt.

    Thanks genius. You noticed it has tracking but failed to notice it's not a seller approved banner. And you don't know that cause you're not on here enough to see every other banner for that service says the same exact thing, "best expired domains". They don't say things that refer to >>male genitalia. No vendor in their right mind would pay for a risky banner like that. But in the end it drives clicks, shows my appreciation for him and that's all I care about.

    You lost me the minute you said, "distributors create the market".

    This is economics 101. Markets creates demand. Distributors will always fulfill what the market demands. And YES marketing can influence demand but what influences demand more than anything is the NEED for something and someones ability to DELIVER what is NEEDED.

    As far as "sellers abusing the fact that PR isn't updated"... "abuse" isn't a very objective word. You're veering in conspiracy land now. The more objective word would would be LEVERAGE. Or LEVERAGING DEMAND.

    But I get it. Everyone's just some stupid victim and you're a genius cause you never outsource your PBN's. Congratulations! :)

    -BB
     
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  20. LordofTempest

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    It's not that hard to find good domains but it takes time depending on the method.
     
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