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Buying Established Sites. Is it safe? Scammy?

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by mandude, Dec 16, 2008.

  1. mandude

    mandude Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    You've seen it. SitePoint, DP, people selling 'established' sites that guarantee they make $5k a month consistantly. Then to buy it, they only ask for 4 months rent or so.

    Which always leaves the potential buyers asking the same question: "If it makes a consistant $5,000 a month, why dont they just keep it and theyd make that money in 4 months and continue to?"

    So I wan to know what your experiences are with these. I am someone interested, but want to know if people usually just get scammed by these, or they dont make that much, or STOP making that much. Let me know. thanks.

    ps:(what if) they dont even want the full 4 months up front, and would accept payments? And then the question every body asks is even more suspicious.. What do you think.
     
  2. SlowNsteady

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    If it walks like a duck......
    If it sounds too good to be true......
    If a tree falls in a forest........

    I think you already know the answer.
    If they are making that type of money, it's coming from hard work and will probably drop off without their methods being implemented. No one gives away passive income.

    PA huh? I'm in south jersey, are you eastern or western?
     
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    zx_81 Newbie

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    I couldn't have put it any better. :cool:
     
  4. mandude

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    eastearn. philly.

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  5. SlowNsteady

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    Birds are gonna run the table like the Gmen last year. went to the game last night.

    Obviously use caution with these sites. Find out where their traffic source is coming from and the keywords they have dominated. If it's not search engine traffic or organic traffic from keywords you can monetize from it's worthless to you.

    Most of these guys buy their traffic or their site has been banned by ppc companies. If you don't mind me asking, what type of site are you eyeballing?
     
  6. pac1984

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    once you learn to analyse sites well then you can work out the scams from the real deals!

    In reality thousands of sites are bought/sold legitimately ever day ... i have bought tonns of sites and sold just as many! Have i run across and fallen for scams in the past?? Well of course the answer is yes! The skill is in working them out!
     
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  7. mandude

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    haha nice yea my friend was at the game, good game.

    yea it seems somewhat fishy because when asked for the url he said there is no url, its just landing pages. for dating. he says he has 2 'employees' that do all the work, but seems it is prob ewhoring or something, getting people to a dating website. doesnt seem like seo traffic or anything.
     
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    Some of them are already blacklisted domains they just want to dump off to someone else.

    Some of them are already black listed with google adsense.
     
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    so he's offering a subdomain offering an ewhore marketing services to someone wanting to sell cpa's? idk, beats me. I'm interested in knowing what you find out about it. It doesn't cost you anything to ask the questions.

    If I really want the traffic I'd find out the payment details and try to get as much info about them as possible. It should hold some clues to who you're dealing with. New accounts are an automatic flag.

    Keep us updated.
     
  10. Richard1980NYC

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    Couldn't agree with you more. I am new to the IM scene in the last 6-months or so when I started buying websites on DP and SP. You just start to pick up what makes a site good or not. SE Traffic is very important to consider; also alexa rating, and domain age. Don't always trust screenshots of click-b@nk either, as these can

    A: be exaggerated by having some friends by your product, take a Screen dump, then having them all request a refund.

    B: photo-chopped

    Seems like most quality sites will go for 10x-14x of monthly revenue, so I'm not quite sure where you're seeing 4x-5x. Lastly don't get pulled in by BS sob-stories about "wife is pregnant gotta sell in 24hrs!!!!"
     
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    If the sites gain them 5k per month, why would they sell it?
     
  12. pac1984

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    i have sold sites making that much a month

    There are a tonn of reasons

    Need cash for house?
    Need cash for car?
    Your a site flipper?
    Need time for another larger project
    Need funds for a larger project?

    ...
    ..
     
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    It is to good to be true, for most sites, but there are some good catches out there.

    Man dude just a check list you have to go through when you purchasing a site.

    * The first thing you need to remember is that you should try to buy website with minimum amount of work required. That is the key to building your "online real-estate empire".

    * Always use escrow service. Even if it is at the cost of your own money. This will give you time to verify ALL the claims by the seller about the monthly traffic and revenue. If those claims are not met, feel free to reject the deal.

    * When viewing the traffic stats, make sure you view the referrals stats as well. These days many people create quick traffic with sites like digg and stumbleupon and then sell the website. Such websites may not have a good business model to work on in the long run. So make sure that you view the referral stats to see how much traffic is coming from search engines. If around 70%+ traffic is coming from various search engines, you are good to go.

    * If the seller is not using adsense on his website, make sure he is not banned from using it.

    * When person is showing the revenue stats (lets say from adsense), make sure that CTR is not very high. If it is too high, make sure that the
    person is not in any sort of violation of policy on the page, for example, images above the ads, extra attention to the ads, etc.

    * When you see the page rank of the website, don't just believe it. Check the back-links of the website and verify that these back-links actually make sense with respect to the page rank of the site.

    * When verifying the back-links, check if there are many site-wide back-links. If yes, ask the person whether these are his own sites. If yes, ask him how long the the links will stay. If not, ask him what sort of understanding with the other site is, so that those links can stay there.

    * Make sure that internal pages of the site also have some page rank.

    * Ask the seller if he has ever sold any site before (on the same forum/marketplace or other). If yes, check his history and transaction with previous buyers.

    * Make sure that the site is listed in Google and pages are cached.

    * Make sure you ask the seller whether the content on the site is unique. If yes, ask him who has written the content. Use the copyscape to verify what the person says. Also inquire about the images used on the website. Make sure they are not in any copyright violation with some other site. If they are, you should know about it.

    * Check the age of the site. The older the better. Check the archive of the website at archive.org to see what has been the past of the site. Make sure it is not a site which was created on a old domain grabbed which had some other site in past.

    * Ask the person whether he bought the site from somebody else. If yes, when.

    * Find out what softwares/scripts he is using on the site. Make sure you are comfortable with those. Else it can create problem later on.

    * Don't ever belive the "webalizer" stats. They are much inflated. Ask the person to provide stats from any third party like google analytics or scripts like awstats.

    * Last and finally, ask the person if he/she would help you moving the site to your server. Most people will agree to it, but its always good to ask first.

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    Sitepoint and DP are the best place to look for deals.

    I bought a site for $500, that was making $5/day, that is only like 4 month rev, I bought it a month ago, and it is not making $9/day, about $270/month, and it has made me in total $212.52 in adsense, already nearly half way there in a month.

    It is definitely possible, and I have never bought a site that has flopped.

    Never buy sites that are making big monthly income, buy multiple sites making small income ie, 10 sites making $300/month,$10/day, = $3'000/month, is the more intelligent may to go about it.

    Make sure to see that the user is trusted etc, in DP and in sitepoints. Look at other sales etc.
     
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    i think there are a lot of quality sites in DP and SP..just make sure you have done extensive research about the site you are looking at and nothing will go wrong..
     
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    To answer SHeen91 and others. his site has been running for around 7-8 months he said. he showed CJ stats (could be faked). He seems like a reliable guy, he has done coaching and stuff and most people seem happy (except the usually dbag DPers that whine about everything, you know. or whine about paying a price then taking no action). He offered a payment plan, which means i think that we will co own the site, so I dont think he would screw something over if he stil sorta runs it. Although I just questin why he would do that, then since it wouldnt be about the money if its on a payment plan (perhaps he has no time). I just wonder if maybe he realized its starting to get old or saturated or something, and doesnt think he could make any more money and it will go down.

    I dont think hes using adsense. Ill have to check if hes banned (how can I find that out myself since he could lie?)

    thanks for the tips
     
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    just ask him to add a adsense block on a page on the site if your worried about that .. if its banned then the ads will not show up
     
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    No for ebay lol... ebay doesnt really have one that is good to me.
    1 out of 20-30 websites are good there.

    I got scammed before. I was new then and didn't know anything much.
    I bought a website before. SUPPORT was like fckin great when i got it.

    Gave me password, i changed it. The guy told me to continue the hosting with them for 1 month. Cuz itz free and they will transfer to me after that.
    Then i was running the website.

    Yeah it was established, so i went on promoting my fck ass on it.
    Got a lot of traffic, got sales.

    Then i got my fckin world fall ahahahahaha
    They took back the website!

    I wasted money on the website
    wasted money on advertising
    wasted my TIME most importantly!

    What i didn't waste was an experience! learned about this industry more
     
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    Oh yeah!
    they took back the website by redirecting the website to a CLONE website.
    YES! they used my domain which i have not transfer because they asked me to so call stick to them for a month!

    my website was then redirected to their clone website which was 100% the same with mine...
     
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    shit. duplicate content

    dgfdgfgs
     
  20. pac1984

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    yeah the sites for sale on ebay are generally crap! people flipping shit from DP :D