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Buy/Sell Section - People asking for Review copies

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by anuj291, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. anuj291

    anuj291 Elite Member

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    I have been holding this thought for a long time .......... So here we go........

    Unfortunately if you go to any Buy / Sell thread - the first 20 posts will be people asking for review copies... (More often you can also see the same guys who ask for it) - just go to 5 threads and you will easily see that most of the time same people try and take the first few spots saying something like

    " Hey - Good luck with your sales - Any review copy for a Jr Vip " !!!

    OR

    " Plz give me a free review " - Outright blatant

    As a service provider I feel for everyone who starts a Service thread and has to offer a review copy to 10 people just to prove - Just because that has become a fashion and a necessity as was the case in DP

    Mods already review a service before it starts - So I feel that is more than enough for trusting the service....

    I think mods should look at all the Buy Sell threads and give out warnings to whomsoever asks for review copies - Be it a member with 100 posts or 3000 posts ...

    Just my thoughts....

    If the content seems inappropriate then mods can close the thread....

    PS:
    Those who ask regularly for reviews (yes i can name many such members) plz dont reply to this thread ... i will have to expose you otherwise :spank:


    Thought i will include this for the benefit of all Sellers

     
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  2. Vic Sage

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    I agree! Specially those "Good luck with your sales" and all that! If one really wish good luck, why not use the "Thanks" button?

    According to -
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    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/buy-sell-services/387929-bst-rules-how-post-updated-no-sales-thread-bumping.html
    It's mentioned clearly by DD -
     
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    same shiet happens with the buyers too mate :) I think I didn't see yet any service on bhw what I bought and the seller didn't asked me to bump his thread :) oh :) yeah ... including yours mate :) ... so ... don't cry for nothing there ... is a strong competition between the service providers ... and it's pretty normal to squeeze every bit available :) ...
     
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  4. dheer

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    Some sellers actually offers free review copies. I suppose on those threads asking a copy is all good and mods can not do much. The ones who don't offer any copies and still if members asks for them its not cool.
     
  5. anuj291

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    ya totally agree with you ...

    Best part is you can spot ppl who are doing this again and again just to get the free run....

    What do they do ?? " they just sit and keep refreshing the Buy sell section to see new launches !!!
     
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    When someone first opens a BST thread I judge that the seller is providing a legit service at a market value price, as such expecting the seller to provide a FREE review is bordering on throwing an insult in the face of the seller!

    There is an old saying 'If You Want Something Then Pay For It!'
     
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    Worst thing, they never come back with any reviews or a thanks at least! IMO, if you want to ask for a review copy, you have the responsibility to really sit down and test it out and write at least a 250+ words review. That's what I think at least when I ask for a review copy although I've never tried before.
     
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  8. davids355

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    I agree that ppl should not ask for review - seeing as its against the rules.

    But I do also think that sellers should give reviews at start of service (at THEIR descretion), first of all it shows they are not just reselling if they can provide a few copies, also it gives everyone a chance to see some results before ordering.

    When I was selling services I always gave out many initial reviews, just to show good faith.
     
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    I think the mods have enough to do. Sellers should just stop giveaways, set limits on freebies or just tell repeat freebie seekers NO.

    I got no problem posting reviews, i.e. bumping threads for good sellers I do business with. My way of saying thank you really.

    What chaps my ass, is the freebie seekers that then resell the shit they got as a courtesy. Of course the freebie hounds get tiring as well. Most new BST threads you have to start on page 2 before you can see a meaningful post. The whole first page is filled with beggars looking for a handout that have no interest at all in the product or service. Just seeing what they can get for free.
     
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    Only way I see of really going around this is for sellers to not give free review copies, and only discounted ones(maybe with the promise of getting additional service after the review?)

    A lot of people look for review copies just to have content/software/services, but why they don't post a review after testing things out doesn't make sense at all. I mean, you're already on the forum making posts...Why not just make one of them be a review? I don't get it. I don't get some people.
     
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    I Agree with you, But what can you do, some people like cheap stuff, Because they know the seller looking for feedback
     
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    Just provide discounts for the first buyers.

    Dont offer bonus services or additional services because it MAY affect the reviews of the first buyer.
     
  13. anuj291

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    Asking a buyer for leaving a review once he has paid for the service is not a problem - As a buyer you have paid for the service and you have a choice of leaving the review if you liked and saw good results...

    Out of 5 buyers who buy from me only 1 or 2 leave their review and i am fine with that... My aim is to provide service that will rank people and give a good experience... Its natural for new buyers to see reviews and build trust in service....

    Squeezing for discount on existing price and asking for Free review copy is different - So dont mix things...
     
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    Do you realize why sellers do that !!

    If you build such trends - then sellers by default get in a notion that sales wont happen if i dont give review copies...
     
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    No that is not the worst thing !!

    Here is what ppl will leave as review

    " Very good service - Recommended" !!

    OR

    " Tried the service - got report in 2 hours -- WOW !! - Recommended " !!!

    OR

    " Best seller - Good communication , Good report TAT - 5 / 5 " !!!

    apparently no where it talks about the service -- but its still very recommended !
     
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    What a seller does is all upto him/her ...

    I dont understand whats the problem if they are reselling -- As a buyer you should expect results (you have paid for it)
     
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    ^^^^^^^ (Could not have said it better)

    True - mods are overloaded ... But i think the forum has got new mods just for BST -- so i think thr will be much more streamlining now....
     
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    Agreed wizgizmo's BST mantra :)

    Don't hesitate to ask for review copies if the seller announces it :D else no...
     
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    Yes - but such a trend has been built because ppl ask and sellers give .... and sellers give cuz they see other sellers giving.... and why are other sellers giving !!!! - Well u knw the drill !!


    ppl getting copies and then not posting a review is even more pathetic ... and calls for an infraction frm mod...
     
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    No one is gonna snatch the review copy from you unless you provide them yourself. Why not write at the bottom of the thread, that no more review copies available / I am providing 10 review copies with 10% discount? If they still urge for it, just ignore it ??