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Building Your Own High PR Blog Network - Question

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by BlueTurtle, Feb 19, 2012.

  1. BlueTurtle

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    Hey,

    You can build up PR to your blog network by getting a lot of do-follow blog comments, so my question is this:

    Since the goal is not to rank for any keywords with your high PR blog network, can you just blast the sites in your network with as many pr1+ do-follow blog comments + other shady do-follow links as you can manage?

    Your site would be delisted if the content was duplicate and you had the bad links, but if you have unique content on your blog network you shouldn't get delisted, just 'dance' for keywords, which of course doesn't matter for the purpose of the network.

    Is my thinking correct here?
     
  2. psytrance

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    my suggetion is building that network with expired domains. read the phpbuilt thread and start getting those gold aged sites. you can blast those because they are aged :)
     
  3. phpbuilt

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    A new tier 1 private blog network is no different than a new tier 1 public web2.0 network, you can use spun content and you can blast it with lower quality links. I don't think that's the best way, but it is a way.

    The best thing you could do is make each of your private network profitable in-and-of itself. Target related keywords in your niche for an EMD, even if the exacts are only 320 to 1000. Make a quality, unique article related to the EMD and make it a sticky post on that domain. SEO that domain with backlinks for its EMD. As far as that homepage is concerned, treat it like it is a viable website in-and-of itself.

    Make the first article full page, nice and big, and sticky it. Make your 2nd and on pages a short spun first paragraph with <!--more--> so very little of it influences your homepage.

    Then scale it up, 10, 20, 50, 100 domains. Each targeting 10, 20, 50 or 100 exact match keywords for an EMD. Then push your junk spins through, not only for your main money site, but also promoting each of your EMDs one by one. It's a great tactic that works well.

    If you're going to be buying domains for a private network anyways, and paying for SEO hosting, you might as well get full use out of them.

    As each site should be at least somewhat profitable in-and-of themselves, it warrants extra time to ensure their quality, and this turns out great for your money site. It is the highest quality private blog network you can build to prop up your money site.

    Then treat your private blogs as tier 1, and get each of them their own set of public web2.0s as tier 2, blast everything with social bookmarks, wiki posts, AMR, scrapebox, xrumer, etc.
     
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  4. nik-0

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    Great idea phpbuilt, I was thinking about something like that as well but then with a different idea in mind. I have this furniture site and was thinking to get all kind of emd's that are furniture related pointing to it and making each site profitable on itself as well. Somehow I forgot about that idea somewhere.

    Now let's say I would use that network of sites for totally different sites, non furniture related. Do you think I would risk my Adsense account when "spamming" it with non related articles for different sites?
     
  5. phpbuilt

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    Use adsense on the money site. Use it on the support sites but not if you're pushing lower quality spun content to it. The best use is if your niche is ecommerce related (and your EMD is on an exact product) and have buy-now buttons to your main site, or CPA, or amazon, or content-locker, etc. I use it effectively to collect leads for services. But I'd only stick adsense on it if it were all original and high quality (I have some satellite sites like that as well).
     
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  6. nik-0

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    Yeah I was afraid of that already. I like the idea of buy now buttons that lead to the money site indeed, that way it's 100% safe.
     
  7. BlueTurtle

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    Yeah you'd never put adsense on your blog network. You may as well email google and report yourself for having a link scheme. :)

    You're not allowed to build sites for backlinks. Having multiple sites in the same niche owned by the same person if there's any links between them is considered a link scheme. It doesn't have to be reciprocal.


    When you just link to the money site making the blog network more like a pre-selling as php suggested then there's no way for google to know you own those sites.

    Simply linking to a buy now page on another site gives no indication of a relationship between the pages.
     
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  8. phpbuilt

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    Here's another use.

    I've got some high end clients (like, very high). The budget allows for some hefty spending on content. I put up a small network (like 10 to 20) that are meant to prop up the main money site (my client).

    I treat the 10 to 20 like they're my babies. They get high quality content ... either I write it, or I have some writers I've found on BHW (a few), or I'll outsource it to constant-content.com. These sites effectively accomplish their goal of boosting the main site ... meanwhile I have adsense on them all (they are all sub niches within one larger niche, each with unique content).

    If you go high quality on your tier 1, there's no problem using adsense on it. I haven't been using this model very long, but the experience I've had with it so far has been tremendous.

    The best way to nail a highly competitive, highly ranked keyword ... is to tackle the niche as a whole, nail the little keywords one by one on their own EMDs and build a viable, profitable network. Then ranking the big keyword comes naturally.

    As a side note ... this is a great way to set yourself up to always have your recurring monthly SEO fees from your client. When you own the tier1. Often times, a SEO will directly link their client with web2.0s and other methods ... and that's ok (I still do that too). However, at least half of my ranking strategy involves tier1's that I have control over. If ever the client stops paying, I have a profitable stock of sites to begin doing SEO for another client within the same niche then. (I've never had to do that, but its good to cover your bases).
     
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    Very true indeed, must add that the first time that I thought about making a network of emd's around it I didn't have the idea of making posts from all kind of sites at it. The idea was more to make them Adsense micro niche sites all in the same niche and just place 1 link to the mainsite. However that idea got somehow burried, mainly cause the main site is a thin affiliate site that is ranking terrible. The plan was to make hundreds of emd sites anyway so it would have fitted nice in the picture, but then again I dont want to manage 100's of emd sites, better focus on a few larger ones. Anyhow, I have no clue what i exactly want at this moment, my mind changes day by day :)
     
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    Issues seem to arise when people report you, so it'll depend on the niche. What you could do is just have 2 adsense accounts from 2 separate companies. 1 you use for money sites and another you use for the niche networks.

    Since the niche networks don't inter-link you wouldn't ever have an issue with adsense on each when it comes to google's rules on link exchanges.


    I love the idea of the niche network, but I would classify that as something different to a regular blog network. It's a subset really.

    The best scenario would be building one large generic blog network *and* having the smaller niche networks. With the large generic blog network you can just focus on getting high PR and be less worried about the type of backlinks and with the niche blog network your main goal is ranking the blogs as well as juicing them up.

    I'd say they provide different things too. A general blog network will get you PR mainly, but the niche network with only quality backlinks will get you primarily authority in your niche and trust, with a bit of PR too.

    The general blog networks don't really get you trust/authority. I'm not really sure where trust factors into ranking though. If you lose too much trust then you get wiped out. I believe what people call the 'sandbox' is simply a result of your trust getting too low. So I don't think having more trust will necessarily take you from #10 to #1 for instance, but gaining more authority for your keywords will and that's what the niche network will be great for.




    Divide and conquer :)


    Yes, indeed, or when they stop paying you and they drop down the rankings after you pull their backlinks.

    You can pull the web 2.0's if you keep track of the login details too. You'd need a "reverse" program to do it effectively though. It'd be hilarious to suddenly pull every blog/web 2.0 from some cheeky client who thinks he's getting one up on you. All they'd be left with would be bookmarks, wiki links and comments which isn't a very solid foundation. :)
     
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    Awesome Info Phpbuilt! Thank you. Quick questions...

    Do you interlink the 10 to 20 "babies" or do you just link to the big keyword site from each baby?

    I assume you have each of the babies on a different IP / hosting acct or do you find it's OK to have some on the same IP?

    Thanks a lot and have a good one!


     
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    I don't. The question boils down to which is better, link pyramids or linkwheels?

    My educated guess is that if there are 20 industry leaders that are each individual, all saying that one site is the best by linking to it ... that carries a lot of weight. But if one big connected network says that the one site is best, that will be less impressive to Google and perhaps seen as one effort to manipulate rankings.
     
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    Ahhh..Thanks PHP. That makes a lot of sense now. ;)
     
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    I have about 120 EMDs for my one niche. About 80 of them are done now. I have around 3-5 PR4s, 5PR3s, 8PR2s, 5PR1s. About 50 of them rank in the top 10 for their chosen keyword. They generate about 10,000 visitors a day. They all contain high quality content. One of my writers emailed me at the beginning of the year, she was doing her taxes and wanted me to confirm I paid her $2500 for the year for writing. I was pretty surprised I outsourced that much to her, that's over 600 articles. And that's just one of my writers.

    Then I have about 50 high PR domains that I've bought which were expired, or though auction, on various subjects. On some, I changed them to be similar to my niche, and others just put the old sites back up. I haven't built new links to these ones yet though.

    To answer your question, you are correct, you can send whatever over and not worry about ranking, though I still wouldn't over do it. You can take little bit more risk, but I wouldn't get too crazy. I've had some I was pretty over agressive with, one is in the top 10 for very competitive 150k saerch term, the other is ranking around 500 or out of ranks, for the same term.
    And to go further, I agree with some of the others said, and try and make it a quality site and actually rank for some keywords.
     
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    Couple of questions, I suppose you are registering the domain, do you hide your identity when registering and I probably already know the answer but separate hosts for each site?

    Also what are your costs associated with each site? I should be interviewing with a high end client myself this week and I am trying to get a handle on what I should charge. Also if you dont want to mention it here you can PM me, what services do you offer your clients?
     
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    Great Information phpbuilt. Thank you again.
     
  17. N1ckG2

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    Well, you have some EMD. Hoste them on SEO Hosting. Load then with high quality unique content. Build up 2nd, 3rd etc tier links. Everything is ok.

    The question is - how do you use this powerful mini netowrk to boost your main website? I guess you dont add 100s articles all with a link to one money site.
     
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    I have been adding a lot of networks, and creating a PR generating tool for the network (it's taken me a week of work, and it's almost done, but it will soon be an automatic PR generator :D) Hopefully this tool will also be a very effective way to rank these for the keywords as well, it's proving to generate #1 spots for keywords with ease.

    Here's my take:
    Buy EMDs or not, doesn't matter. High quality content, or not, doesn't matter. PR is not based upon total content you feed the network, but if you insist upon it you can post 1 unique article/week and 1 spun article per week out to the network via xmlrpc (easy to set up and all your sites should have it enabled)

    Secondly, use a variable amount of hosts, I personally have about 25 different $1/mth (or less) hosting accounts that allow at least 5 domains.

    Thirdly, I've been purchasing 2 yr registrations on every new domain I buy... because I found a source that allows you to lock a 2 yr .com/net/org at $6 ($3/yr)

    You avoid the whole renewal issue for at least two years, so it gives you ample time to develop and fully harness the network without worrying about huge renewal costs or transferring a ton of domains to avoid it.

    Right now, best estimates I can set up 5 domains with WP and a unique theme in about 1 hr with a unique static homepage (and blogroll beneath it of course). You could create a bot to do this, but not sure if it's worth it...:cool:
    There's a ton of diff $1/mth hosts out there, and this gives you a ton of cheap class A IPs

    Just set up an automatic back up via mysql dump and automatically download it once a week via FTP, you could also do this manually if you felt like it (would take a few hrs/week for a very large network).
    Right now I'm just feeding 1 article/week to the network that's spun very very well... don't see why this is a bad idea... articles contain no links at all except to authority sites.

    Also, of course, I've started feeding web 2.0s to the network via automated methods... obviously the good ones that can work with 150 diff domains I built :)
    Results are promising so far, site is moving back out of the panda 3.3 area it sank into.

    By the end of the month, I am hoping to have 500 domains set up in this manner...
    If you want a simpler backup option for your domains:
    http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/automatic-wordpress-backup/

    It works well, though the mysql and server side storage is def best!
     
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  19. thetermy

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    The reason I shy away from 1/month hosts is they tend to have horrible sites in their ips. Because google looks at ips as a factor if link neighborhood, you can be penalized if you end up on an unlucky shared ip.
     
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    to be fair, every shared host has this problem, not just $1/mth hosts.
    I've seen hostgator IPs my sites were assigned to have extremely "bad neighborhoods"
    You can always just get a cheap dedi IP with your host... some give them to you for free ;)