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Building a PBN with a budget of $3,000-$4,000 USD any tips? Where to get proper domains?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Dave Wilcox, Feb 17, 2015.

  1. Dave Wilcox

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    So I've decided that I really want to build a STRONG out of the gates PBN to rank potential customers. I know most are starting out with almost no money at all and trying with hopeless $9 dollar domains (it seems). Does that even really work? Will you really be able to move sites quickly to the front page with 30 of those shitty PR 1 and 2 expired for 2 years domains? If so I'd love to hear more but I hear it's not likely.

    But what if you actually had some money to throw at this, say up to $4K, what would you do to jump start your PBN to be the most effective as soon as possible? Where the hell to get good domains for a fair price ?

    Can a pro enlighten me?

    Thanks guys.
     
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    I wouldn't class myself as a 'pro', but I think I have some words of advice to offer. First, don't discount those 'shitty' PR 1 and 2 expired domains. While 1 or 2 won't do too much, 30 or so can really hold some power. In fact, I would much rather have a number of half-decent 'smaller domains than pay for one big genuine PR 5 or similar. No one's going to be able to tell you how many PBN's links you'll need to crack page 1 so my advice is to take it slow (i.e. don't blow all your money at once), use it on some low/moderate competition keywords and see where you stand after a few weeks before cranking things up.

    If I were in your position, I would probably look to buy a genuine 'clean' domain with some good power and PR (maybe 3-5) to use as my money-site. Then go out and find some decent smaller domains with decent metrics (i.e. TF >10 & Ref Domains >40). As for where to get them, expireddomains.net is good if you want to do it manually, domcop, registercompass are all good, too. You wont be the only person after domains with PR, so what you can expect to pay will vary. That said, I wouldn't spend over $100 for a PR 3.

    Hope that helps :)
     
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  3. Dave Wilcox

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    Thanks much for the reply! Seems like it will be a longer process than I had hoped but it's great to hear every ones point of view. Look forward to hearing more view points.
     
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    I've used all three, and find Domcop to be the easiest to use, with the the least amount of time put in to get the info I need.
     
  5. Dave Wilcox

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    I don't quite understand how that site works. It has a domain that looks good closing in 13 mins but it's not even expired and wont until the end of the year and the links just take you to generic back ordering. any ideas?
     
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    I've never really believed in those expired domain names available for registration for $9 and I wouldn't build a PBN with those domain names. The best domain names you can find are available on godaddy auctions and snapnames/namejet through tools such as expireddomains.net and registercompass.org.
     
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    Some people are sexists, some people are racists, and now it seems some people are price-ist.

    What's the problem with $9 domains? I have built the great majority of my PBN nodes from domains that I bought for reg-fee only, and they power along significantly well.

    You can't judge a book by it's cover, and you can't judge a domain by it's price.
     
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  9. Dave Wilcox

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    Thanks. I'm trying to replicate what I witnessed another SEO do. He was able to put a customer on page one almost instantly and remove them a week later as a trial of his service.

    I want this kind of power, I checked the back links and it seems its just a PBN of a few powerful PR 4+ sites that look ugly and spammy and would never pass manual review and and cover two niches.

    With 4K (or any amount) can I buy my way quickly in to this kind of power? Can you really bump sites with only 5 crappy but high PR blogs?

    Also thanks for the link I have been reading it today.
     
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    My advise for you is to not concentrate on building one strong general pbn that you will be using for all your clients. Rather, build different sets of pbns that are relevant to your client's niches. For most of the local terms you don't need more than 10 niche relevant pbn links to make a mark, so just set a budget aside for this when you quote a price to them.
     
  11. Dave Wilcox

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    Any one have any more comments? Thanks.
     
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    Find some expired domains in your niche, rebuild the sites and you are good to go. Most often it will have a huge impact on your ranking pretty fast.
     
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    Hear, hear! People who discount so-called "cheap" domains are only doing so because they have no experience using them. You can find domains that have suitably strong backlinks powering them for reg fee.
     
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    Like tony_d and SteveWaller have said, expired domains work just fine. Why are they worse than the ones on auctions? Because you don't have to pay $300 to get one?
     
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    So true!

    Anyone who bought these domains before the last PR update know too well that an n/a can turn into PR 3-5 over night!!
     
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    As everyone else pointed out, I have used GD domains and I've used dropped domains - all that matters in both cases are their links. You can't tell me a contextual link from a PR7-8 (top100 most visited news sites in the world) is worthless because the domain wasn't renewed.
     
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    Expired Domains Works same way as Auction Purchase Domains, It all Depend what Foot Prints You left for Google to trace your PBN, It's not What Domain you used (Expired or Godaddy Auction).
    PR of Expired domain have same Power for Rank Boosting as Auction Purchased Domain. 300 USD Purchased Domain Not make any Difference for your site Link. Google Bot Not Know difference of it that You Paid 300 USD for this Domain or 10 USD for domain, Google Gives Priority to other things.
     
  18. Dave Wilcox

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    I just find it a little concerning that just about every person here to point out how cheap domains are still great is some how involved in selling those type of domains or software that supposedly helps you find good domains.

    What about clean PR 5 domains, can 5 of those really move a site? vs 50 "cheap" domains. I need power to launch to page 1 quickly on demand for these potential customers. Or perhaps I'm asking the wrong forum? I really wanna hear from the higher end here, have more money than time to mess around with junk.

    Say you had 5K to spend, one professional niche, where you need to move sites in specific cities, and you don't want to play this small time game. What and where would you buy with that kind of money?
     
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    Hey Dave, sent you a Pm. Let me know what you think...
     
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