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Bring The Fresh Project Profits - My HONEST UNBIASED Review

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by coreygeer, Jun 7, 2012.

  1. coreygeer

    coreygeer BANNED BANNED

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    Ok, I am not an affiliate of their program or one of their die hard fans who flood to Warrior Forum when ever an e-mail is sent to praise the program. I was genuinely curious to see if this program was any good.

    So let's just get straight to it.

    Kelly launched yet another product/launch with some "Project Profits"

    Holy mother of shit... this might be the longest sales page in history.. why...?

    After 5 minutes of scrolling through a bunch of testimonials we've seen on BTF already and a bunch of screenshots of all of this killer money coming in, we get to an order page. (You have plenty of opportunities to order, I just wanted to see how long it was).

    It's $7 and then you'll be billed $66 monthly.. a monthly fee huh? This should be good! So I pony up the $7 for the trial and am immediately directed to one of those "Thank you" upsell pages. I guess this isn't uncommon, I scroll down and go to the members area.

    My first thoughts: Hrm.. I figured millionaires could afford better website design. The navigation is tacky and there doesn't seem to be much here.

    So I see this mile long "Plan of action" they talk about and they say that there's this core formula you'll keep coming back to again and again. It's basically just a gigantic page talking about common sense knowledge for even IM newbies. Nothing good is shared here nor is any information shared on this "formula" page, they just go on and on about nothing.

    The Content: Ok so I go through links and listen to some videos (well some of them). I decided to download PDFs instead because all of their videos are just them shooting the shit. Some of them have cool tips in it you might not have thought of but for the majority of their videos are just them talking and bullshitting.

    The site lacks and I seriously don't see what's worth $66/monthly here. The forum is brand new and looks like a basic install of Phpbb, they apparently didn't even take the time to customize their forums.

    The Upsells: I hope you love being upsold. This site and member's section is a gigantic cluster fuck of upsells. He recommends a ton of products with his personal affiliate link of course that will cost you even more monthly.

    My Take On Bring The Fresh:

    Kelly Felix is a marketing genius don't get me wrong. He hits you with his little sob story about he was poor schmuck and made millions to inspire your minds. He's hoping to hit you at home so you think "oh I can do the same!" Then he goes on and on about his earnings via screen shots. Sorry but he didn't earn that much money doing the methods found in the product he's selling you.

    Do you want to know how he REALLY made that much money? Selling you those products, it's that simple. It's just a collection of upsells and videos of him and Mike Long talking and having a good ol time.

    That was one of the fastest refunds I've ever had. I'm not the type of person to refund something, if it doesn't work, I delete it and move on. Lesson learned. Seeing how Kelly Felix has transitioned though is disgusting. The Rich Jerk was his prime. Sure, he did some upselling and he was a businessman but this website has "sell out" written all over it.

    I'm sure some RJ Fanbois will chime in "Hey! BTF makes me a million a month!" "BTF Makes money if you apply it!"

    Well shit.. anything will make you money if you apply it.. seriously though, save your money.

    I actually planned on starting a blog on Bring The Fresh and doing a live case study based on his fast start guide.. but I'm starting to doubt it. I'm also wondering how many refunds he gets because that'll cut into profits as well.

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  2. kytro360

    kytro360 Power Member

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    Thanks for the review, much appreciated :)
     
  3. Ted The All Knowing

    Ted The All Knowing Newbie

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    Here's their business model. It's well thought out, but very much an upsell model.

    First you join their BTF forums for a one time fee, $97, this is done just to get you in the site and ready to be constantly upsold. That gets you in their world where they control everything and any negative posts are immediately attacked by their army of moderators and Kelly and if you're lucky Mike might come in to tell you how wrong you are. (Mike has the following post stats:Total posts 376, 0.52% of all posts / 0.53 posts per day.) Mike only pops in when someone questions them mainly. Kelly is far more active. They do provide a phone number but you can only call it if you text them ahead of time and if you already searched the forums for the answer.

    Second you're constantly blasted with their affiliates links on their site and in their guides. 9 products on their recommended product page and 2 of their own products. One is a "done for you" package that costs anywhere from $197 to $1197 depending on which one you want. The second is buying their own backlinks ranging from $67 to $197.

    Third you're immediately offered to pay extra for their "full disclosure" membership, (wait didn't i just by a membership to their site and shouldn't this be included? hmmm) The full disclosure is a $7 for 7 days then 6 payments of $66 for 6 months. After that I'm not sure what happens but I'm guessing you're offered "super duper duper super" training for another extra fee. The full disclosure looks like a weak attempt to get more money out of your pocket but they insist it's pure gold and you can't breathe without it.

    Fourth, they push other peoples products on you. The last one was affilioblueprint where they were one of the top sellers of it. They have pushed about 5 or 6 big launches total since opening BTF. They deny that they're just doing that to make an extra buck though, it's all for the good of members and they carefully select only products that will compliment their stuff. (uh yeah right).

    Fifth, on top of all that above, they launch and push their own "new" products on their members. The most recent is project profits. The sales page looks eerily similar to all their salespages with the same testimonials from the same people in their other programs. Screenshots are no doubt totally unrelated to this "new" product and they take the same angle they always do. "I was poor now I'm rich". Project profits follows their same formula of them babbling on endlessly and never really getting to the point. They charge something like $7 for a 7 day trial then $67 per month.

    So their formula is get you in, get you drinking their kool-aid about what great guys they are, then blasting you with upsell after upsell and product after product. The last thing I'll mention is their biggest success story is not doing anything they train you on. He's building sites and selling them to some rich guy for ridiculous amounts. (If they showed everyone how to do that, it would be much better).

    Bottomline if you're a newbie, it's an ok place to learn BUT know that they're going to milk you for more and more and more money immediately after signing up and about twice a year when a big launch or one of their new products is launched. They're no dummies, they know that once they have a member they've got an easier sell then trying to go out and get another new member. It's smart business on their end for sure.
     
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  4. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    What they sell is bullshit . . . The REAL value comes from analyzing
    HOW THEY SELL TO YOU . . . and that is free.

    Create a product and weight it down with video versions, audio versions,
    PDF's and plenty of upsell stuff on the back end. Create several sales
    pitch webinars, get on a few of the gurus' lists (you may have to hype
    their products first). Build some excitement over a period of a month
    or so, and then email those lists the day before the launch, and BANG!
    Money in the bank! . . . That's how they do it, over and over again.

    Cheers! - "Wiz"
     
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  5. kytro360

    kytro360 Power Member

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    I posted on their forum like 5 minutes ago asking them if I was the only one who felt like they weren't learning anything and Kelly (the owner) threatened me with a permaban lol.

    Heres what I wrote:

     
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  6. Flinches101

    Flinches101 Junior Member

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    Why do keep spamming the same post on multiple threads?



    Can you post the threatening message he sent you? People will do anything to protect their crappy WSO's, Even threatening members offering constructive criticsm.
     
  7. coreygeer

    coreygeer BANNED BANNED

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    Oh trust me, I know how Kelly works. I was apart of his Rich Jerk program.

    Don't get me wrong.. the information in the PDF is good.. you can't include just upsells and shit or people wouldn't still be with it.

    Want a short list? Here's what you get with BTF

    - A couple of good PDFs (I actually will recommend their PDFs)
    - Days worth of videos of Kelly just talking and Mike just talking. Mike.. ffs get a new Microphone btw.. he's loud as shit in some of them.
    - TONS AND TONS OF UPSELLS.. I mean tons.. you are literally being upsold every single chance they get. Which I don't doubt some people have bought into.. I saw how many "Full Disclosure" members there were in the forums. Isn't that the $400-500 program?

    It's kind of like "Yeah Google Keyword Tool is good buuuuttt.. you REALLY should get *affiliate link* Samurai.. it'll help! I promise!"

    I mean really.. I was a huge fan of the RJ program because that truly did have some golden information in it. Did he upsell a bit? Yeah a little but still, the forums and the book he sold were awesome. Now he built a business around upselling and telling his sad story about how he "lost it all" after he "made it".

    I also noticed when ever he posts something in the Warrior Forum, he encourages the blind knights who praise him to go say good things about it. Genius marketing.. I do love it.

    However, if you want your money's worth and you want to know what BTF is worth.. join the $7 trial, download all the PDFs, ask Clickbank for a refund and be done with it. I am never someone who demands refunds.. on anything.. but that was horrendous what I saw inside BTF.

    Hell, even the $50 worth of web design they had done didn't scare me off in the member's section.
     
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  8. kytro360

    kytro360 Power Member

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    Heres what he sent me:

     
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  9. kytro360

    kytro360 Power Member

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    I did the trial and immediately closed my subscription in Paypal so I can stay inside the program without them charging me :p.

    And yeah, the PDF's are useful but their videos arent too good and sorta outdated
     
  10. coreygeer

    coreygeer BANNED BANNED

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    Is that a real response he sent you?

    Lol wow... that's crazy.
     
  11. kytro360

    kytro360 Power Member

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    Yup, I straight copy pasted from the message he sent me lol
     
  12. coreygeer

    coreygeer BANNED BANNED

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    Wow...

    I do know the forums have a decent number of members. However, I wasn't too hyped up about the "you'll receive our personal cell phone numbers!"

    I'm guessing Ricky Rivera is a friend of theirs.. They hype him up and refer to him a lot of for this "Launch Jacking" thing. You basically create a sales page or review page of a product that hasn't launched and get it ranked high.
     
  13. kytro360

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    Its probably fake numbers to their support or something.

    And Ricky Rivera seems like a too good to be true story they made up. You can barely understand what hes saying in the interviews they do with him.

    Also, I got their launch jacking course which doesnt reveal anything worthwile and is basically a watered down version of their Fast Start Guide
     
  14. coreygeer

    coreygeer BANNED BANNED

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    After looking at their website, I doubt they hired anyone to do any kind of special design work. I don't know how you fake the member count on a forum list, it's usually included in the bottom via Php. I'm sure it's possible though.

    Yeah, I tried to listen to one of the interviews with Rivera and you can't understand him. You would think someone who made "800k" in a year could afford a new webcam or mic.. guess webcams are more expensive than I thought they were.
     
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  15. kytro360

    kytro360 Power Member

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    Lol Yea he has a horrible mic and webcam
     
  16. jabroni

    jabroni Registered Member

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    Thank fuck I wasn't the only one who found Bring The Fresh absolutely shitty.

    I did the $7 trial thing too and quickly saw that it was simply another "Sniper" style strategy or "make a 4 page website based on a keyword with searches and product" bullshit. I've seen free courses with better information in.

    Also..ever tried sitting through their piss-poor videos? Shiiiiiet..I fell asleep 30 seconds in. Full to the absolute brim with fluff.

    The biggest shock for me at the time was the glowing reviews at Warrior Forum! Then I realised how the Warrior Scam Forum works.
     
  17. coreygeer

    coreygeer BANNED BANNED

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    Well from what I understand, he either

    A: Sends out an e-mail to his Full Disclosure members
    B: Sends a memo to the forum members

    To go promote his product at the Warrior Forums. You know he'll never show his face here though lol, he doesn't have his blind army of White Knight followers there to chew out the non-believers. I just recently got AN EXCITING NEW E-MAIL about him launching a new product.

    I read all of his e-mails and look at his sales pages because his marketing is pure gold genius. I take down notes of how he's running his business and what he's doing right/wrong.
     
  18. zacamore

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    I saw a post on the BTF forum from a new guy who had just joined, upgraded to 'full disclosure' and was p*ssed-off because he thought that full disclosure meant full disclosure, not 'hey, want to know some more great profit making info?... then buy our new course - Project Profits'.

    The guy said he was disgusted and was thinking of stopping his further payments.

    Within five minutes the post had strangley disapeared!!!
     
  19. CharlesCarr

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    I also saw that and had thought about posting a thread asking about it. I checked back the next day to see what the reply would be. I was very interested to see what they would respond with, I was actually extremely excited...I was let down though.
     
  20. kawasaki

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    ... wonder why Michael Ullmann, founder of the nice 100kadsense course recommends bring the fresh :confused: