Well seeing a lot of new threads popping up saying that IG is punishing users for botting and stuff, i started this thread just to lay down the facts on what i know and the time frame required to grow some good accounts (when you have no money). I am started this thread when i saw people like @VapeMonkey debunking some old shit for the users, his thread - here background - i'm growing 60 something accounts myself, total followers near 1 Mil. All accounts are being botted and i gain (250-500 followers per day depends on niche) but after reading some recent threads here, i know for a fact that i don't know shit about growing. IG+ogads is still making me money but i started growing say 45 days ago to have a shot at e-commerce. Well, i'm going to say this directly - You can't have a desired growth (if you are a complete newbie, aren't into big engagement groups or don't have any money to spend on powerlikes). All you can do is botting if you are one of the above. Someone suggested posting good content and making random quality comments like 100-200 per day but i doubt it can achieve more than +50 followers a day on a new account (best case). So now we are left with botting for our first few thousand followers just so you can enter some decent engagement groups (most have 5k limit). I personally tried those popular engagement groups (min requirement 5k) , tried my luck for 4-5 days on these groups (having 1.2-2k users in each group), most users were same across all groups and had a max of 350 UNIQUE usernames in a round of 9 am EST AND 12 PM EST across 3 groups (without couting my 60ish accounts). Results - got 400 likes on my pics that's all. Nothing went viral. I even tried by engaging with other account and sending likes to the other one, didn't work for me. So conclusion those small groups doesn't work unless you have say 1k people participating the round. Now, think that you have to like 1k people in a round of two hours , I.e you need to like a pic every 5-7 sec to complete the round which will trigger some sort of verification from IG (99% sure). Now look at the time frames to get into bigger and better engagement groups (I consider currently available 50k groups to be good with no proof, as i have never been in one) - 2 scenarios - Botting up to 5 k minimum requirements for most small groups to join = 15 days if you are extremely lucky and bot like a boss with like +300 followers per day Joined engagement groups and left botting , you know for a fact that those smaller ones doesn't matter shit. Yes you have 700 likes on each pic for a 5k account (yeah good job ) but will you hit explore ? Nope, not a chance unless your niche is kinda unique (not a dead niche as luxury, fashion n fitness girls). So your growth then for best case is +200 a day (that's the best case by far) . Total days to get to 20k = 15 (for first 5 k) + 75 (next 15 k) = 90 days. 3 months gone already wow but you somehow saved your engagement bravo ! Now , let's say one two of your odd posts go viral every now n then (which doesn't happen mostly) and you are gaining +350 followers per day (absolute max with just posting n normal human behaviour like comments) Number of days to get to 30k = 28 more days. Now, you are in big ballers group of 30k and somehow gaining +500 a day. For next 20k , you need 40 days. total time = 15+75+28+40 = 158 (best case scenarios) So 5 month is gone and your account is 50k. You somehow saved your engagement wow . Now if the 50k groups are good then you should be able to get +1k followers daily. That's what everyone told right ? Get to 30k = get into 30k groups, get to 50k = get into 50k groups, so on and so forth till 100k or more. Now scenario 2 - You bot from scratch to get into those good 50k groups. I do botting (+250-500) follows per day , take average - +375 per day (for a new account +375 is killer trust me) don't expect it to go over +500 a day coz it won't get above it ever , the max you are going to follow is say 1k a day to keep your account safe and follow back ratio of 50% is very very very unlikely to happen. So +375 per day to 50k = 135 days (best case scenario) Now - you need to get a new account coz this one has kinda been trashed and there is no way to recover it. So time taken for - New account to grow to 50k using groups = 2 more months. So in total you spend atleast 6 months until you are at a point to make a killing with IG. Don't take this post in the wrong way but there is no shortcuts to this. What's the route should i take now, that's the question - some say quit the bot and do rounds but i've seen it and it didn't work for me. My avg engagement is 5-8% and yes some accounts got tanked - like 2% engagement (my biggest one which is 42k right now). For newbies - i've outlined what i think you should do and i'm afraid there is no other way to it. If someone can shed more light to it, they are welcome. In the end of the day, i thought i was a boss botting like this but it turned out i don't know shit except ig+ogads . What you gonna do with the accounts ? My plan was like this- 1 shopify store in one niche and 10 accounts in same niche with different followers . So i was just gonna shoutout to my main account with product +caption. Should still work. Other than that, just try to keep that engagement up (if its possible), get into bigger groups - use these accounts as buffers and start new ones. Your thoughts ?