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Botting,Engagement groups and growing your accounts (facts)

Discussion in 'Instagram' started by tux, Jan 29, 2017.

  1. tux

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    Well seeing a lot of new threads popping up saying that IG is punishing users for botting and stuff, i started this thread just to lay down the facts on what i know and the time frame required to grow some good accounts (when you have no money).

    I am started this thread when i saw people like @VapeMonkey debunking some old shit for the users, his thread - here

    background - i'm growing 60 something accounts myself, total followers near 1 Mil. All accounts are being botted and i gain (250-500 followers per day depends on niche) but after reading some recent threads here, i know for a fact that i don't know shit about growing. IG+ogads is still making me money but i started growing say 45 days ago to have a shot at e-commerce.

    Well, i'm going to say this directly - You can't have a desired growth (if you are a complete newbie, aren't into big engagement groups or don't have any money to spend on powerlikes). All you can do is botting if you are one of the above. Someone suggested posting good content and making random quality comments like 100-200 per day but i doubt it can achieve more than +50 followers a day on a new account (best case).

    So now we are left with botting for our first few thousand followers just so you can enter some decent engagement groups (most have 5k limit). I personally tried those popular engagement groups (min requirement 5k) , tried my luck for 4-5 days on these groups (having 1.2-2k users in each group), most users were same across all groups and had a max of 350 UNIQUE usernames in a round of 9 am EST AND 12 PM EST across 3 groups (without couting my 60ish accounts).

    Results - got 400 likes on my pics that's all. Nothing went viral. I even tried by engaging with other account and sending likes to the other one, didn't work for me. So conclusion those small groups doesn't work unless you have say 1k people participating the round. Now, think that you have to like 1k people in a round of two hours , I.e you need to like a pic every 5-7 sec to complete the round which will trigger some sort of verification from IG (99% sure).

    Now look at the time frames to get into bigger and better engagement groups (I consider currently available 50k groups to be good with no proof, as i have never been in one) -

    2 scenarios -

    Botting up to 5 k minimum requirements for most small groups to join = 15 days if you are extremely lucky and bot like a boss with like +300 followers per day

    Joined engagement groups and left botting , you know for a fact that those smaller ones doesn't matter shit. Yes you have 700 likes on each pic for a 5k account (yeah good job ) but will you hit explore ? Nope, not a chance unless your niche is kinda unique (not a dead niche as luxury, fashion n fitness girls). So your growth then for best case is +200 a day (that's the best case by far) .

    Total days to get to 20k = 15 (for first 5 k) + 75 (next 15 k) = 90 days.

    3 months gone already wow but you somehow saved your engagement bravo !

    Now , let's say one two of your odd posts go viral every now n then (which doesn't happen mostly) and you are gaining +350 followers per day (absolute max with just posting n normal human behaviour like comments)

    Number of days to get to 30k = 28 more days.

    Now, you are in big ballers group of 30k and somehow gaining +500 a day.

    For next 20k , you need 40 days.

    total time = 15+75+28+40 = 158 (best case scenarios)

    So 5 month is gone and your account is 50k. You somehow saved your engagement wow . Now if the 50k groups are good then you should be able to get +1k followers daily. That's what everyone told right ? Get to 30k = get into 30k groups, get to 50k = get into 50k groups, so on and so forth till 100k or more.


    Now scenario 2 -


    You bot from scratch to get into those good 50k groups. I do botting (+250-500) follows per day , take average - +375 per day (for a new account +375 is killer trust me) don't expect it to go over +500 a day coz it won't get above it ever , the max you are going to follow is say 1k a day to keep your account safe and follow back ratio of 50% is very very very unlikely to happen.

    So +375 per day to 50k = 135 days (best case scenario)

    Now - you need to get a new account coz this one has kinda been trashed and there is no way to recover it. So time taken for - New account to grow to 50k using groups = 2 more months.

    So in total you spend atleast 6 months until you are at a point to make a killing with IG.


    Don't take this post in the wrong way but there is no shortcuts to this. What's the route should i take now, that's the question - some say quit the bot and do rounds but i've seen it and it didn't work for me. My avg engagement is 5-8% and yes some accounts got tanked - like 2% engagement (my biggest one which is 42k right now).

    For newbies - i've outlined what i think you should do and i'm afraid there is no other way to it. If someone can shed more light to it, they are welcome. In the end of the day, i thought i was a boss botting like this but it turned out i don't know shit except ig+ogads :p .

    What you gonna do with the accounts ?

    My plan was like this- 1 shopify store in one niche and 10 accounts in same niche with different followers . So i was just gonna shoutout to my main account with product +caption. Should still work. Other than that, just try to keep that engagement up (if its possible), get into bigger groups - use these accounts as buffers and start new ones. Your thoughts ?
     
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  2. tux

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    Update :decided to try again yesterday because I got 2 shoutouts scheduled. So I thought that maybe I should give it a try and test whether I can get sales on my accounts (19k and 22k), tested with 4 groups yesterday (489 profiles in the round including 3 of mine), dropped the account in round and engaged with others. Can't say for sure whether it worked for the ad but the ad has almost similar no of likes than other regular posts (489 from groups) so it can appeal to other users who are looking my profile to get a shoutout, will update sales (if any ) soon. Good thing is , one of my pic went kinda semi-viral (may have hit explore) on a fitness account 23k (which was the 3 rd account). Will test it more !
     
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    Update 2: small groups doesn't fucking matter too much guys, except for the fact u might get 300 odd likes. My advice would be bot ur way to 50-80-100k groups (my 40k is growing at +400-500 per day now) and then torch the account and grow a new one
     
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    i have some questions, kik me @snaaaake87 or telegram @thelavishlife
     
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    I think that the whole eg thing is overated. I think the best thing is to grow to 100k and then find 10-20 accounts above 100k to gives your powerlikes in exchange for yours. The main point is that you need to build a network, that will support as you grow. Work is needed and people often seeks for shortcut to riches but it's not how it work. Good post and I see your point mate :)
     
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    Its not overrated mate, I've seen it and I've been in touch with some guys who can apparently grow to 0-100k in a month (80k+ and 100k groups) but I'm doing the same as you just started 45-50 days ago, network is already a mil
     
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    I have been out of IG since these groups have taken over (kik, telegram, fb) once you meet the minimum requirement for a group, are you dropping info for a new account to enable it to be grown at a faster pace rather than torching through botting?
     
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    Small groups don't work on new accounts what u might see is 500 likes on a photo on a new account and will eventually gain +50 followers a day. I can much more than that via botting
     
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    Is there any harm combining both? I never use like feature except to like my own stuff so i'd rather use towards engagement group and then follow targeted ppl
     
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    No there is none as far as I have tested but small groups only make ur account more trusted in eyes of end user (your followers) that's all, there is no real disadvantage of using those groups except some time that u have to put in daily. Those groups are time sensitive and even if its 5 mins to set it all up , its still a pain in ass to do it regularly
     
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    There are far too many variables you are leaving out to be making an educated assumption

    Are your account names smooth/ descriptive
    Do your accounts have a good DP or logo
    Do your accounts have a clean, compelling bio
    How many times per day are you posting
    Are you posting great social first content
    Are you using Hashtags, if so are they laddered and targeted correctly
    Are your captions clean and compelling
    Are you crediting all images taken from other pages (if not own content)
    Are you using call to actions inside your captions
    Are your pages video based or photos...

    All of these questions will determine the growth rate of your accounts and when you get them all right these are the kind of result you get.

    [​IMG]
     
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    For a new account < 1k followers this would be very good as it is completely untouched and organic.
    To follow up on my original message, are you dropping the new account, the stat account, or both into the engagement group?
     
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    I thought I knew how to bot but I clearly cant... can we chat over dm, telegram or kik? @ryanvdbotha on telegram and kik.
    I can get 60-120 followers a day through botting but that's like the max. I would really appreciate some help to get to your levels. I want to do this full time but need some guidance.

    thanks mate!
     
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    Your image is broken
     
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    Tried both, results are better on stat account but again I'm in Eg groups having min requirement of 5k, one account is close to 50k, will try my luck in a 50k group soon
     
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    Botting won't do any good in current ig scenario unless you can run like at least 20 accounts. If you have questions you can drop them here so others having same questions can benefit from it too
     
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    Of coarse. The more that benefit, the better.
    Ok I am currently setting up about 30 accounts, I should have them running by the end of next week.
    Using that resource, how do I get to those levels of 200-500 followers a day?

    The second problem is that I have had a few fantastic spike days where I have hit 200 follows in the day. BUT I get shafted when the bot unfollows and I usually lose about half. So if I manage to rack up 120 followers in a day, I will lose about 60 purely because of the unfollows. How do I get around that?
     
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    It's broken, because it's not the direct link to the image. Right click on it, Open image in new tab. :)

    This is the pic:

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    inb4 anyone asks from me how to grow that fast, it's not my pic, those questions can be directed @jarredg.
     
  19. tux

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    simultaneous follow n unfollow, time ur settings right and you can do both at a same time.
     
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    was on mobile and strangely wasn't able to long press the broken image and copy the link. This guy is obviously in big dm groups so well its not something that we can use.