Boris announces Covid passports

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Did you see it with your own eyes? (russian and indian cremtoriums)

Stop watching tv, it's called tv program(ming) for a reason..

I feel sorry for your fears, dude.. I guess you're not a bad guy, but you're scared, and you should deal with that.. One friend of a friend died of heart attack back in march last year, cause she got so upset watching tv news all the time,with "rona will get you" phrases all the time..
It's serious, and I'm not trying to offend you or something like that, it's just an advice, once again, your body, your mind..

Let's make it clear, it's "conspiracy theory" part of a decade, so yap, bunch of those is also selling stories for views or something else..
Just calm down, take a deep breath and don't trust anything more than 30%, you'll get better..

As for driving car, there's sayin, whenever you get in a car, you have one foot in jail and one foot in grave.. But guess what, ambulance and firefighters use vehicles too, so glass could be half empty or half full, depends on your perspective
hah, I even do not have a TV. Social media nowadays allows everyone to post their opinion online, including pics, stories, etc. You can easly look up tweets from local doctors all over the world and you do not need any kind of mass media to learn about events or situation all over the world. What is worse, live in a constant fear that all world is corrupted and against you or take just enough of caution to be sure you are safe in any possible scenario.
 

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I appreciate that you feel very strongly on the topic.

But if we are talking about statistics, comparing driving to the pandemic actually is not that far off, from a mathematical standpoint.

Driving is pretty dangerous, whether you like it or not.

Coronavirus can be dangerous, depending on who you are.

We have to live with both everyday.

The only difference being that driving is much bigger danger to your health than covid (for about 90% of the healthy population.)

Can you supposedly kill someone else by giving them covid? Probably, yes.

Can you kill someone else by driving a car into them? Definitely yes.


But you don’t see the government setting a limit on how long you can drive for.

Yet they lock down the country numerous times, and “force” everyone to get two jabs to live in normal society.


As you have seen with the health minister and boris, getting the jab doesn’t even prevent you spreading it.


So, if we can still get it after being vaccinated, and if it doesn’t reduce our chances of dying from covid (according to the israeli study being vaccinated increased your chance of death) and if it doesn’t prevent the spread…

then why exactly are we being forced to take the vaccine?

Correct, and I expect some of these opinions among soccer moms. To come to a "black hat"
community and people who make a living being opportunist not reading between the lines
that something doesn't add up is.....depressing?
 

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Can you supposedly kill someone else by giving them covid? Probably, yes.

Can you kill someone else by driving a car into them? Definitely yes.
As I mentioned, this is reason why I still have no driving license, yeah.

So, if we can still get it after being vaccinated, and if it doesn’t reduce our chances of dying from covid (according to the israeli study being vaccinated increased your chance of death) and if it doesn’t prevent the spread…
It's same as seat belts in cars. They were forced as well, and many oooh boi how many people were against them installed in cars. But they did it to make sure mortality rates drops in car accidents and they did. Same for vaccines, your risk of having strong complications drops, your chance of getting it - drops. It's no way best possible solution, but it's a best solution we currently have.
 

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If you are paranoid over mRNA vaccine witch new technology that long term side effects yet unknown, not mention most of our current vaccines are by product of emergency approval from WHO, so either you aware it or not you are a rat. They even purpose the idea to mix the vaccine lol. The vac company said it is safe, while the WHO said it’s dangerous. Yup we are rats!

But you can try the China made vaccine. they use old vaccine technology that has already been used by tb, measles vaccine with lesser side effects most of the time.

Also much weaker and less effective according to west media. Business competition after all.
 

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hah, I even do not have a TV. Social media nowadays allows everyone to post their opinion online, including pics, stories, etc. You can easly look up tweets from local doctors all over the world and you do not need any kind of mass media to learn about events or situation all over the world. What is worse, live in a constant fear that all world is corrupted and against you or take just enough of caution to be sure you are safe in any possible scenario.
Oh, you mean those tik tok nurses and doctors?
Damn man, you get your opinion built upon words from someone who's making money if you get sick.. Do you realise doctors get bonuses for writing prescriptions, right?

There's sayin: Modern medicine evolved that much that there're no healty people anymore..
 

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If you are paranoid over mRNA vaccine witch new technology that long term side effects yet unknown, not mention most of our current vaccines are by product of emergency approval from WHO, so either you aware it or not you are a rat. They even purpose the idea to mix the vaccine lol. The vac company said it is safe, while the WHO said it’s dangerous. Yup we are rats!

But you can try the China made vaccine. they use old vaccine technology that has already been used by tb, measles vaccine with lesser side effects most of the time.

Also much weaker and less effective according to west media. Business competition after all.
All we're doing here now is rating their marketing.. Tbh, they get 4 stars for it, gotta admit it's well done
 

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This is shit.

In September, Covid passports are likely to become a thing to enter clubs, venues and other pleasures in life.

As someone who medically cannot get the vaccine, nor wants it, this is very very shit.

That means people like myself will not be able to go to these places, after September.


Oh, another thing.
Forcing people to get the vaccine in order to see these places , is collusion and an infringement on your bodily integrity, which is a human right.



Even if you are the most “Pro government” , “Pro lockdown” person on the planet, you have to agree that forcing people to get a jab in this way is disgusting…

Especially if they medically cannot get the jab.


Let me know your opinions on this.


EDIT: Yes I mentioned Boris, but this is not intended in any way to be a political thread.
I've seen lots of people in England protesting this en masse. Is this true? If so, keep up the good fight!!!
 

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Oh, you mean those tik tok nurses and doctors?
Damn man, you get your opinion built upon words from someone who's making money if you get sick.. Do you realise doctors get bonuses for writing prescriptions, right?

There's sayin: Modern medicine evolved that much that there're no healty people anymore..
No, regular doctors, from ER. Do not have tiktok account yet.

And yes, they get paid. And they are highly interested that their business stays up, if they would blindly scam people, you think it would be a sustainable business then?

Honestly, I just keep this discussion only because I'm amazed by the world views I see here, sometimes I imagine you guys sitting in a tinfoil covered rooms, using old phone w/o screens, etc.

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How do you even use the internet then? Arent you afraid gov will track you down and silence you?

So many questions, so confused.
 

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No, regular doctors, from ER. Do not have tiktok account yet.

And yes, they get paid. And they are highly interested that their business stays up, if they would blindly scam people, you think it would be a sustainable business then?

Honestly, I just keep this discussion only because I'm amazed by the world views I see here, sometimes I imagine you guys sitting in a tinfoil covered rooms, using old phone w/o screens, etc.

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How do you even use the internet then? Arent you afraid gov will track you down and silence you?

So many questions, so confused.
Main difference is that I respect your rights but you don't respect mine..
 

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Main difference is that I respect your rights but you don't respect mine..
Why do you think so? You have all rights to think and act how you want, that is the beauty and curse of democracy. You have all rights to stay unvaccinated, but then face the consequences of it - to get the same rights as vaccinated people you will have to do constant covid antibody tests, probably every 48hours or so. And then you are free of any kind of vaccination.
 

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Why do you think so? You have all rights to think and act how you want, that is the beauty and curse of democracy. You have all rights to stay unvaccinated, but then face the consequences of it - to get the same rights as vaccinated people you will have to do constant covid antibody tests, probably every 48hours or so. And then you are free of any kind of vaccination.
Democracy Discrimination
 

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Democracy Discrimination
Yes, in my country many people think it's discrimination as well, usualy blue collar workers. But honestly - it's not, because you have right to get the vaccine and you have right to avoid it. It's your choice, so no discrimination is done. If only one part of society could get their hands on vaccines and still covidpass would exist, then yes, that would be a hard core discrimination. And even more, if for some reason you really really do not want to get vaccinated, you can avoid that and gain the same rights just by doing antibody tests.
 

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Why do you think so? You have all rights to think and act how you want, that is the beauty and curse of democracy. You have all rights to stay unvaccinated, but then face the consequences of it - to get the same rights as vaccinated people you will have to do constant covid antibody tests, probably every 48hours or so. And then you are free of any kind of vaccination.
Sounds like you don't know the definition of "rights"
 

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Sounds like you don't know the definition of "rights"
explain the definition then, please. Keep in mind that we all have very limited 'rights' on many things in life, including speeding with your own car, etc.
 

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democracy is something where only big players decide, not regular people
 

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Yes, in my country many people think it's discrimination as well, usualy blue collar workers. But honestly - it's not, because you have right to get the vaccine and you have right to avoid it. It's your choice, so no discrimination is done. If only one part of society could get their hands on vaccines and still covidpass would exist, then yes, that would be a hard core discrimination. And even more, if for some reason you really really do not want to get vaccinated, you can avoid that and gain the same rights just by doing antibody tests.
Discrimination is the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

Telling people that they need a pass to get into an establishment is discrimination. That's the same thing as saying...you need xyz skin color to use this bathroom.

Anyways, do you know that medications from the past are being recalled as we speak. Here's the most recent one.


As, you can see, Truvada, withheld other medications, so they can make more money. The govt is doing the same thing as we speak. They purchased a whole lot of Pfizer/Astrazenca/Moderna and are currently pausing the release of other vaccines because they have inventory they need to get rid of.

So, I'm glad you didn't see any short-term negatives from the vaccine. I know many people in my personal who are suffering from side effects (heart + lung trouble). But, who knows what will happen in 5-10 years??
 

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Telling people that they need a pass to get into an establishment is discrimination.

Telling me I need a driver's license to drive my car is discrimination as well then. I paid for the thing, why I should get any test then.

And can you imagine they discriminate against some people with bad eyesight as well? Bastards!!
 

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Telling me I need a driver's license to drive my car is discrimination as well then. I paid for the thing, why I should get any test then.

And can you imagine they discriminate against some people with bad eyesight as well? Bastards!!
Ok, you seem to have the answer for everything. I see you mentioned that it's mostly blue-collar workers who claim this is discrimination, so I'm guessing you think we're all stupid for avoiding the vaccine. I might be stupid, but at least I have the common sense to see there are so many things wrong with this:

  • You have to sign your rights to sue before you take this vaccine. None knows the long-term effects. If short-term effects alter your heart and lungs, then what is happening long-term to your cells?????
  • The vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get COVID and supposedly states that it lowers the effects of covid. Even though there are numerous reports of vaccinated people still being hospitalized and dying.
  • The creator of the diagnostic test stated himself that it shouldn't be used in production. ( There are students in the UK using orange juice to game the test). Meaning, you don't even know IF You have covid. For all you know, you could've drunk OJ/Coke, and gotten a positive test.

TLDR >

No one should be forced to take something that doesn't guarantee 100% protection. They can't test for the virus with 100% certainty. Basically instead of them discriminating against people with laws and passes, they should invest all that effort into making a better vaccine.
 
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Ok, you seem to have the answer for everything.
I like to practice debating, no other reasons why I would join discussions here. It's interesting as well when the opponent is not in a full potato mode.


I see you mentioned that it's mostly blue-collar workers who claim this is discrimination, so I'm guessing you think we're all stupid for avoiding the vaccine.
As this is IM forum, then obviously this is not the case about blue-collar, but yes, I wanted to point to a possible intelligence issue from my observations and it's a deep subjective opinion, I do not have data or anything. And I do not take you for being stupid, not at all. Sometimes when I'm tired, my English fails me, and some things I say sound rude or arrogant, but that is not a way I think, just my limitations to express myself, but sometimes that happens in my native language as well. I meant no disrespect for you or others. I will try to be more careful with my wording.

there are so many things wrong with this
Yes, you are absolutely right about that there are many things wrong. We have only two possible extremes to battle the pandemic - to take vaccines or not take them at all. For crowd immunity, we need at least 70% of the population to be vaccinated. So we have two evils to deal with, and the common sense, in this case, is to choose the path with less possible damage with current knowledge.

You have to sign your rights to sue before you take this vaccine
Sorry, what did you meant with this?


If short-term effects alter your heart and lungs, then what is happening long-term to your cells?
Again, you have to choose a less evil scenario. If you can live your life low, avoid human contact, and avoid getting covid, then obviously it's only reason not to take vaccine, then you will not need that certificate and in those rare occasions when you do - you can just take tests and be free to do what you need. But if you live the risk of getting covid and facing long term problems from it, just by comparing percentage - it's obvious that the last risk would be to take the vaccination. We do not know long term risks from covid as well.


Even though there are numerous reports of vaccinated people still being hospitalized and dying.
It's all in numbers, if my risk of getting hospitalized with plastic tubes in my throat showed down decreases by 60%, I'm happy to take the vaccine.


For all you know, you could've drunk OJ/Coke, and gotten a positive test.
I do not see how this goes against that covid complications are dangerous af and should be avoided.


See, I have a gut feeling that this will not end well in 5-10 years for people.So, I'll just quarantine from people who think they're the smartest in the room and wait things out until everything settles down.
If you have such a chance, that's the most perfect scenario, because in theory, you just need to wait when 70% of the population will be vaccinated and then it will be just the seasonal flu. I still hear that some people vaccinate against flu, never done that and I never had it.


PS: I guess you can consider the family with 2 STEM degrees super smart too right? They gave their daughter the vaccine, and now she's paralyzed for the rest of her life. With simple common sense and looking at the data, they didn't consider that their daughter had a super low chance of being affected by COVID.
Well, there are hundreds of thousands of people getting vaccinated every day. When these wheelchair people will start to pop out like spring flowers, I will reconsider this as a fact that should be addressed with caution. Probably should do a lot before that, but you got my idea, right? 1 case in 1000 million, that is 0.000000001% chance to face this?
 
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