Blog comments from 'bad neighborhoods'?

Hi,

If we use SB, scrape all the places that have accepted 'viagra' posts, and then post there. Is that

Good or bad for our site. Any practical experiences on this?

Thanks, blackie

Spammed page with many obl is almost useless...

I did only one comment on this sports site and now i have like 200 backlinks in yahoo just from this domain. Is this condsidered bad nieborhood? They are not related so idk

If you want to rank, you should avoid leaving links on sites which have accepted large numbers of spammy viagra links.

The most likely scenario is that your links will be ignored and you'll be wasting your time.

Hey Micallef, don't you think there is a contradiction here?

You are telling us that we must follow the spammers in order to find unmoderated blogs for comments that will stick, yet by default these unmoderated blogs will already be spammed very badly, so the links we get will be very weak. Am I missing something man

The sites that rank high for viagra have spammed so many blogs it's unbelieveable. You would think their links are worthless but obviously they're not because they are ranking for that very competitive term.

jb2008 said:

Hey Micallef, don't you think there is a contradiction here?

You are telling us that we must follow the spammers in order to find unmoderated blogs for comments that will stick, yet by default these unmoderated blogs will already be spammed very badly, so the links we get will be very weak. Am I missing something man

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It's a case of quantity over quality. If you spam thousands and thousands of blogs - even though the blogs with 10k OBL get ignored, all the other backlinks still count.

You can follow Micallef's method and simply not post on the sites that have hundreds/thousands of outbound links. And if you are doing automated commenting then ScrapeBox even has an AddOn which will check all blogs for how many OBLs they have. You can then ignore / delete any blogs with too much spam.

That said - from what I understand Micallef goes more for quality over quantity and looks for high PR do-follow pages. I have used this method and it is also very effective.

Kendra, I have been following your method and the numbers work out. I get around 3000 websites at a time from the link extractor addon, then harvest them, delete domains, which leaves around 40k results. Out of these 40k about 10-20% are non moderated WP blogs. I post to these and get 10% of the 40k, so that's 4,000 submissions. You said 25-50% of these will stick as links, so I should have a good couple thousand by now. However, unfortunately, as always, yahoo site explorer reads a measly 82 links. It used to be 80 but the latest blast got me 2. 2 links. I am following 'bad neighbourhood' quantity over quality - what am I doing wrong?

Give it some more time. If your site is fairly old (older than 1yr) then you can probably do a few more blasts. It takes time for the links to register with Yahoo - but don't worry they will start showing up sooner or later.

If you have a newer site then just reduce the numbers down a little and do some smaller sessions.

Either way - I do more than just one session per site with this method.

jb2008 said:

Hey Micallef, don't you think there is a contradiction here?

You are telling us that we must follow the spammers in order to find unmoderated blogs for comments that will stick, yet by default these unmoderated blogs will already be spammed very badly, so the links we get will be very weak. Am I missing something man

The sites that rank high for viagra have spammed so many blogs it's unbelieveable. You would think their links are worthless but obviously they're not because they are ranking for that very competitive term.

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I learned a long time ago that following the viagra spammers is a bad idea. There are other, less rapacious spammers you can follow. These guys don't normally destroy every blog they encounter. So not all blogs that you find by tracking spammers will be unusable.

If you are getting good quality pages from the guy you're tracking, but they are heavily spammed already, perform a site: search with SEOquake and check for alternative pages which may have little or no spam.

jb2008 said:

Kendra, I have been following your method and the numbers work out. I get around 3000 websites at a time from the link extractor addon, then harvest them, delete domains, which leaves around 40k results. Out of these 40k about 10-20% are non moderated WP blogs. I post to these and get 10% of the 40k, so that's 4,000 submissions. You said 25-50% of these will stick as links, so I should have a good couple thousand by now. However, unfortunately, as always, yahoo site explorer reads a measly 82 links. It used to be 80 but the latest blast got me 2. 2 links. I am following 'bad neighbourhood' quantity over quality - what am I doing wrong?

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if your site is older than search this:

"powered by wordpress" "leave a comment" "recent comments"

your comments will be indexed within 24 hours of going live.

I don't have SEOQuake. My only method is searching "Posted by" + "keyword" and that's a keyword that I get from the 5000 most popular adwords keywords, ones I figure would be spammed a lot.

I suspect, Micallef, you have your own very clever ways of doing it that you keep to yourself. I respect that, I simply feel grateful for your kind answers, they are truly pearls of wisdom for a noob like myself. That goes for kendra too.

What I am finding about these "bad neighbourhoods" is that, even the top ranked, most squeaky-clean looking websites have their foundations in the most dirty, spam filled neighbourhoods. I came from a white hat background, paying indians thousands of dollars for something I could have done in an hour myself with scrapebox or magic article submitter, thinking this was the only way. But the truth is, to get on top you have to be either a massive authority and genuinely popular, e.g. youtube, which is rare, or you 'spam' your way there and completely fake your popularity in the dirtiest neighbourhoods imaginable. The thing is, these spammers who are on page 1 have linked directly to their money site, and because I have watched their sites for a couple of years now, I know their position at the top has not changed. They have not been G slapped so I guess they are lucky. I personally would not spam directly to the money site. Oh well, I guess I still got a lot to learn.

I'm not sure what to think with this "bad neighborhoods" thinking. For awhile I subscribed to it, and avoided them to a point.

Lately, I have been diving in and almost embracing them on some sites to see what would happen. One in particular. The site is a DJ site in a fairly large city (one of the biggest in the U.S.). Now, I know that is not the MOST competitive niche in the world, but it is not absolutely simple either.

The site is about 6 months old. We were sitting on the 4th page or so for most of that time until I began to build links to it quickly! I followed a couple of the top "cheap viagra" guys out there... went from 200 links to about 2,000 in 12 days and moved from the 4th page to place number 7 in the SERPS.

Who knows... it may not stay there.... I know that is not a huge amount of links, but it is a lot of links for the market. Some of these links are placed on pages that have been spammed like crazy... some a little better.

So, we'll see. I think there is a point of "diminishing returns", where G may start ignoring these links, and some quality link-building will have to be done, but it seems that there is a place for it... btw, just about all of these links I built were auto-approved and ******** links, so I wasn't building anything that looked "natural" whatsoever.

jb2008 said:

I don't have SEOQuake. My only method is searching "Posted by" + "keyword" and that's a keyword that I get from the 5000 most popular adwords keywords, ones I figure would be spammed a lot.

I suspect, Micallef, you have your own very clever ways of doing it that you keep to yourself. I respect that, I simply feel grateful for your kind answers, they are truly pearls of wisdom for a noob like myself. That goes for kendra too.

What I am finding about these "bad neighbourhoods" is that, even the top ranked, most squeaky-clean looking websites have their foundations in the most dirty, spam filled neighbourhoods. I came from a white hat background, paying indians thousands of dollars for something I could have done in an hour myself with scrapebox or magic article submitter, thinking this was the only way. But the truth is, to get on top you have to be either a massive authority and genuinely popular, e.g. youtube, which is rare, or you 'spam' your way there and completely fake your popularity in the dirtiest neighbourhoods imaginable. The thing is, these spammers who are on page 1 have linked directly to their money site, and because I have watched their sites for a couple of years now, I know their position at the top has not changed. They have not been G slapped so I guess they are lucky. I personally would not spam directly to the money site. Oh well, I guess I still got a lot to learn.

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To be honest, it depends on how much an authority your site already is. If Google already trusts your site, then you can get away with some absurd stuff to rank for new keywords. If however you have a new site then you have to stick to the 'rules' much more closely.

One other thing. Whilst I often use the footprint "Posted by" + "keyword" (or "powered by Blogengine" +"keyword") and I will use 'viagra' or any other highly spammed word to find spammed blogs. It's important to note that I don't follow viagra spammers. I just find sites they have used to get the ball rolling. Once you find a site they have spammed you will find a ton of spammers - follow one (or many) of those others and you will find a lot of reasonably good blogs you can use.

And yes, I have spammed directly to my money sites. But again whether this works depends on the age and trust factors.

MagicMike said:

I think there is a point of "diminishing returns", where G may start ignoring these links, and some quality link-building will have to be done, but it seems that there is a place for it... btw, just about all of these links I built were auto-approved and d0follow links, so I wasn't building anything that looked "natural" whatsoever.

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This is a very good insight. I also believe that diminishing returns come into play once your site has reached a certain point with spammy links. You can go a long way with comment spam but I have noticed that there comes a point (in competitive niches) where you can start to lose control of your rank, you start jumping up and down etc as moderators slowly clean your spam links from their blogs and you race to get new ones to fill in the gaps.

This is the reason that I wrote a very long thread on how to make a rock solid mini-net which can't fail to keep your sites afloat with more stability. Sometimes, you just need a core of stable links to cement yourself in the top position. They take a lot of work but they are often necessary. Not always necessary, though. Something else that can help with this is GSA auto submit - you need to pay for it (about $30 I think) but it'll get you a good 100 legitimate links which you can then build around. Wordpress theme links are also great for this sort of thing.

jb2008 said:

The thing is, these spammers who are on page 1 have linked directly to their money site, and because I have watched their sites for a couple of years now, I know their position at the top has not changed. They have not been G slapped so I guess they are lucky. I personally would not spam directly to the money site. Oh well, I guess I still got a lot to learn.

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Spamming directly to the money site is effective. There was a time a while ago when I wasn't sure, but now I would put your chances of encountering problems as less than 1 in 10. People report different experiences because Google has different strength spam filters for different keywords (I assume they do this to use their computing power more efficiently - detecting spam is highly computationally intensive). The guide they use for this is probably the adwords price per click, and it is known that adsense and the Google search algorithm do talk to one another.

So, in lower niches, spammy comment links will probably be enough. In bigger niches, as MagicMike was saying, it's as if Google says "well is that all you've got? I don't think we can rank you here because the probability that you are a spam site is too high". That's when other, more solid methods for linkbuilding come in.

Micallef made a good point. He said find a spam-filled blog, but then search other pages on that blog that are not heavily spammed, post on those. That does make sense if one is gun-shy.

I am going to set up an experiment with bad neighborhood posting, but not to my adsense blogs, but will use amazon instead, just in case something goes wrong. I will report that in a while.

Micallef said:

This is the reason that I wrote a very long thread on how to make a rock solid mini-net which can't fail to keep your sites afloat with more stability.

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appreciate a url.

Here's the url:

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...long-term-experiment-foolproof-linkwheel.html

I have had a really bad experience with blog commenting and i doubt i want to comment spam anymore. I've posted comments on linkfarms and honeypots and gotten sandboxed many times, so right now i am just thinking of building backlinks from articles alone.

i own a forum that was greatly spam by viagra poster. At the end, i closed down the forum, so all the links are gone.