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Blackhat, where do you draw the line?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gorang, Jan 25, 2010.

  1. gorang

    gorang Elite Member

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    What is blackhat?

    Is blackhat simply what search engines outlaw? or does it include theft of property or hacking?

    I've had a few bad reps "go to whw" in the past when i objected against actual theft and i just noticed a guy selling his charity facebook page.

    So where do you draw the line and who actually can provide a real definition of what blackhat is?

    Kind regards

    Matt
     
  2. richjerkoff

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    The term blackhat comes from the old western movies where the baddies wore black hats and the good guys wore white hats. It's too broad a term in my opinion and to me it really means using tactics that give you an edge over everyone else without becoming totally amoral in the process. Governments are manipulated by people who are the biggest blackhatters in the world but nobody calls them out.
     
  3. gorang

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    The reason for the thread is because sometimes i see threads or posts and thingk "ouch, that's not cool".

    I wondered if it was just me or theft is a blackhat thing in the Internet world.
     
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    theft and hacking are theft and hacking in my book... not blackhat.
     
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    For me black hat is just blackhat seo, and theft & hacking are serious crimes.
     
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    So black hat isn't a crime ?
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    to me:

    black hat != fraud or theft
    black hat != making the world worse than it is
    black hat != no heart or conscience

    blackhat = testing, learning, and exploring optimal ways to exploit digital systems to my advantage while not hurting individuals, endangering my loved ones (esp. by committing crimes - one reason I don't touch email spam with a ten-foot pole - too many laws and regulations and so much ISP and hosting monitoring in place), or making the world uglier than it has already gotten

    The country I was born in, and too much of the rest of the world, have become tools of big corporations that are pulling puppet strings via the government.

    I'm trying to rewire a few of those puppet strings.
     
  8. Kid Shaleen

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    gregstero had a nice answer to the question.

    Let me tackle it in another, perhaps more cynical, perhaps more direct, way.

    "White hat is what I do; Greyhat is what my friends do; Blackhat is what those bastards who outrank me on Google do."
     
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  9. gorang

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    In my experience, i found it to be opposite
     
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    For me, where I draw the line comes down to the business model of the people I am driving traffic to, and it is pretty white hat in that regard.

    What is the client (the person who pays you) trying to accomplish and are you helping them with that?

    Why are we blackhats then? Well, if you were totally honest about your methods they might be obliged to ask you not to do that and stop accepting your traffic to avoid liability. But since they don't know how you are doing it it's win win.

    With that in mind my hat is significantly whiter than most of you guys, but that's the way I draw the line.
     
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    Nothing that takes advantage of things like Haiti, or other disasters. That's just low.
     
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    Blackhat is when you bend the rules and find exploits...

    Its also extremely different from hacking and other atrocities...
     
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    To me blackhat IM is legal but sneaky. You break the rules but not the law.

    Blackhat hacking is different.
     
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    if you want to get into blackhat you have to drop all your morals. blackhat is deceitful and borderline fraud depending how bh you go. money doesnt care and neither do i. money is money. worst case scenerio you will get a cease and desist. hacking and theft is a different story
     
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    How many times do you see an excellent method posted here, methods that can be defined as black hat, that people themselves will abuse to the point of stealing, fraud, sabotage, etc.? There is most certainly a line, and it is RELATIVE to the actions you perform in your business. Although this line tends to be vague when considering how broad a field BH marketing is.

    No one should be conveying the idea that blackhat actually means 'evil', or that being 'blackhat' gives you some type of license to be evil and screw other people over personally. That is not black hat - that is pure, unadulterated douche-baggery. Seriously.

    There is outright robbery, and there is doing business 'under the radar' to achieve results ... WITHOUT nefarious intent to do harm to others.

    'Black' and 'evil' are two different words entirely. Although people generally see the connection in the 'dark' aspect, black simply denotes the 'absence of color'...that which is hidden, unseen ... but should not be taken as evil, or a license to commit evil acts ....

    In fact, black hat marketers are the smartest marketers in the business and they have the opportunity to lead by example. Which means just because you gain the knowledge to seriously harm another person or their business doesn't mean you SHOULD. Money is great, but your common sense, if you have any, should ALWAYS take precedence.

    Money is the means to an end, or the end in itself? That will clarify the line GREATLY because YOU STILL REAP WHAT YOU SEW!! There's always a fine line of TEMPTATION which knowledge brings us - and in good conscience we still must make the right decisions, black, white, etc. doesn't matter.

    Service to self, or service to others...ultimately one must make a choice.

    Look at the spirit of sharing in this forum ... there is an essential community spirit of helping people. Look how many ways there are to achieve goals that aren't about hurting other people. Once again, 'blackhat' is a BUSINESS marketing term, there is no CRIMINAL connotation unless you intend to harm someone else and break ACTUAL LAWS (not just company policies!). Utilizing your knowledge of the internet to gain mass exposure for your site is not evil - maliciously attacking people who are trying to support themselves and their families online - now that's where I draw the line.

    .....

    P.S.

    'Once upon a time' you could not directly infringe (here in the USA) on the rights of others...namely, Life, Liberty, and 'the pursuit' of happiness (but NOT the actual happiness itself .... think about that one!! LOL) ...:rolleyes:
     
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  17. mogambo

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    To me, its reading all Terms nd Conditions first.. and thn find a way to break 'em without being caught and make profit ;)
     
  18. smash-wear.nl

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    Haiti scams is the line for me
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    They do say One mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter
     
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