Black Hat is for Windows... Care to take it Mac ??

Every program form black hat techniques is windows software only... maybe we should consider taking it to the Macintosh market too?

If done right... then any new software released could be converted for Mac users too... what are your thoughts?

Wrong section but I totally agree! I'm on a mac and always have to start a virtual machine. Also I have to be careful if there are viruses, programs that can damage my windows, etc - with Mac it's likely not to happen.

I would be highly interested in Mac Versions of some BH programs!

I am interested in Mac versions of bh programs too .... maybe in the future the programmers will do the software to windows and mac too . That will be great!

well i thought about the different sections and thought JV was most appropriate as I am happy to go into a partnership to get this organized... either 1) by finding programers here... or 2) by forming a team and getting popular programs coded for a mac through freelance websites

it doesn't really worry me as i forward my team to BHW to download any software that could help them out... but I could do a lot more with Mac versions... I'm even thinking about setting up a black hat server or comp which runs windows... but i figured there must be many mac users that would benefit from Mac based software

one question... could i install software with my hosting company and run it through them?

your question: if you have a dedicated Windows Server you can install software and run it there, yes!

let us about any updates on Mac Softwares, it's a great idea! I was also thinking to hire a programmer to code a software for me, just for the mac.

Why do people by a MAC?

If there was a market for Mac products, people would program their software in platform-independent languages such as java.

Programming for windows is easier and has more people to market to.

Mac is just for eccentric people that want millions of colors and a white or silver finish to their tower or notebook.

Mac is a pretty canned up operating system which makes it safe for alot of users. Avoiding viruses and such.

I used to own a mac so I can talk lol

If I were programming and releasing a product I would aim after windows users also.

anyway you can already run windows within mac os via Q, guest pc, virtual pc, parallels, or vmware.

I have Windows XP and OSX on my Mac. Boot in to OSX for school and personal stuff. Boot in to Win. XP for work/BH stuff. All it takes is a quick restart and I'm in either one I want. I really don't see a need for specific Mac applications.

personally i don't like rebooting to load windows or mac... or running parallels on a mac... i can and have done it but i have a mac and don't fancy windows anyway lol... i'd be much more inclined to have specific software to be coded for a mac... in the meantime i might have to check my web hosting and see if i can do something with that

I've developed black hat software for Mac before and the market just isn't there to support it. Piracy also hurts Mac software developers much more than it hurts Windows developers. There is very little incentive to spend weeks developing something for people who don't want to pay for it.

Also; it isn't about what tools you use, it is how you use them. I use Macs almost exclusively and wouldn't trade my 3 year-old MacBook Pro for the fastest Windows machine on the market. I don't care about games or any of that other bullshit, I care about a computer that does what I need it to do when, I need it to do it, as effectively as possible. My Mac does that for me without fail.

oldenstylehats said:

I've developed black hat software for Mac before and the market just isn't there to support it. Piracy also hurts Mac software developers much more than it hurts Windows developers. There is very little incentive to spend weeks developing something for people who don't want to pay for it.

Also; it isn't about what tools you use, it is how you use them. I use Macs almost exclusively and wouldn't trade my 3 year-old MacBook Pro for the fastest Windows machine on the market. I don't care about games or any of that other bullshit, I care about a computer that does what I need it to do when, I need it to do it, as effectively as possible. My Mac does that for me without fail.

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I don't want to turn this into a Windows/Mac fanboy discussion, but I had question. What does that (which I highlighted in bold) exactly mean?

Does Mac run the .NET framework yet?

hwolfpack6 said:

I don't want to turn this into a Windows/Mac fanboy discussion, but I had question. What does that (which I highlighted in bold) exactly mean?

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Oops, poorly placed comma on my part. It means that I used Windows for quite a few years and was constantly battling to get a stable, secure system. I never found one. When I finally switched over to OS X full-time 5 or 6 years ago, I found exactly what I was looking for in a desktop OS. I'll leave it at that. That's just me. I've made a lot of money from the work I've done on Macs. If you make money on Windows, awesome. I'm happy that you've found something that works for you. OS X works for me.

If that makes me "stupid" for wanting an aesthetically-pleasing operating system that functions the way an operating system is supposed to, then I guess I'm stupid.

caretaker2007 said:

Does Mac run the .NET framework yet?

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As with most things, leave it to the open source community (with the help of Novell) to fix another Microsoft oversight: http://www.mono-project.com/

DaveNL said:

Why do people by a MAC?

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Because they actually make use of the built in spell checkers in browsers. (yea I know it's a grammar mistake anyway)

Axelian said:

Programming for windows is easier and has more people to market to.

Mac is just for eccentric people that want millions of colors and a white or silver finish to their tower or notebook.

Mac is a pretty canned up operating system which makes it safe for alot of users. Avoiding viruses and such.

I used to own a mac so I can talk lol

If I were programming and releasing a product I would aim after windows users also.

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Lol millions of colors? Wtf is that meant to mean? Windows and Mac's both have millions of colors displays silly

oldenstylehats said:

I've developed black hat software for Mac before and the market just isn't there to support it. Piracy also hurts Mac software developers much more than it hurts Windows developers. There is very little incentive to spend weeks developing something for people who don't want to pay for it.

Also; it isn't about what tools you use, it is how you use them. I use Macs almost exclusively and wouldn't trade my 3 year-old MacBook Pro for the fastest Windows machine on the market. I don't care about games or any of that other bullshit, I care about a computer that does what I need it to do when, I need it to do it, as effectively as possible. My Mac does that for me without fail.

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Yea well what you can do if you have the source code of the windows app is make a cider version which means you don't have to recode the whole app. All the EA games on Mac are cider versions so if you get a it right you won't use too much system resources.

caretaker2007 said:

Does Mac run the .NET framework yet?

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Nope and neither does Wine, which is the app that run's window's apps on Linux and Mac.

Yeah, I use Linux and some apps with Wine.

Thanks olden now I can do a bit more.

Arthas said:

anyway you can already run windows within mac os via Q, guest pc, virtual pc, parallels, or vmware.

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Don't forget VirtualBox which is the only professional solution that is freely available as Open Source Software under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL).

Presently, VirtualBox runs on Windows, Linux, Macintosh and OpenSolaris hosts and supports a large number of guest operating systems including but not limited to Windows (NT 4.0, 2000, XP, Server 2003, Vista), DOS/Windows 3.x, Linux (2.4 and 2.6), Solaris and OpenSolaris, and OpenBSD.

Hands down the fastest out there (at least for me), it can even use your already created VMware images. Not to mention still being actively developed (by Sun), last weeks release was 2.1.4 ~

Enjoy! (sorry can't post direct links yet, still need 15 posts)

hxxp://virtualbox(dot)org

oldenstylehats said:

Oops, poorly placed comma on my part. It means that I used Windows for quite a few years and was constantly battling to get a stable, secure system. I never found one. When I finally switched over to OS X full-time 5 or 6 years ago, I found exactly what I was looking for in a desktop OS. I'll leave it at that. That's just me. I've made a lot of money from the work I've done on Macs. If you make money on Windows, awesome. I'm happy that you've found something that works for you. OS X works for me.

If that makes me "stupid" for wanting an aesthetically-pleasing operating system that functions the way an operating system is supposed to, then I guess I'm stupid.

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OK, thanks for clearing that up.