Like most people in online marketing. We start silly and work our way up the food chain. This is a very expensive exercise and most people loose their homes and cars before they make money on the internet. What worries me is the huge gap between knowledge for those trying to grow and people scamming newbies for money. Scamming is a very strong word, right. But what else would you call it when people promise one thing and deliver things that are next to useless being more often warn out old rubbish. In the busness world, if I spend $100 I want to make at the very least $150. But most of the tools, lists and bobs I have purchased here are of little or no use at all. Example: Proxies that are so battered they can not even be used for harvesting. URL lists that are so old and abused that google will not index them. Wordpress themes that are over prices and SEO useless. Wordpress modules that are over priced, out of date and buggy at best. Hosting on IP addresses that are so spammed in web2 ring sites that your niche never gets anywhere. Come on the list is endless and we do not have too much time to waste on this. But you see what I am getting at, right? Lets just make a forum site which costs $1000 per month and have done with it and keep all the threads private. Here ends my rambling.