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Better To Be On The Other Side!

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by BlackSeng, Dec 3, 2012.

  1. BlackSeng

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    Don't know if any of you knows... Recently, the Singapore government deported and even sent several chinese nationals to jail for striking.

    Well, the story goes something like several bus drivers from China were dissatisfied with their pay. They were only receiving $1000 per MONTH. They felt they were paid unequally because other foreigners, for instance Malaysian workers, were paid a little higher than them and with a few more benefits. Their dormitories were in horrible condition. So they gathered about 177 other bus drivers and strike - refusing to turn up for work and demanding better pay and incentives.

    According to the media, the transportation company (state-controlled) agreed to their terms. It was a mere $50-100 pay increment, and several small benefits.
    But even before it was rolled out, 5 were sent to imprisonment for up to 6-weeks. Another 29 were deported back and never allowed to come back. The agreement was hold off (in my opinion, it will be declined and forever forgotten).


    Now, I'm not criticizing my government or anything... and neither do I want to discuss politics because as we all know, politics IS dirty and will forever be. But it's truly sad to see this happening. I mean, just imagine... you're an immigrant from a developing country wanting to find a job. It took so much paperwork to get to the country you wish to work. And for China it's way worst. I've heard you need to "Bribe" your way to get all the paperwork done or at least have a connection to an official, if not your application will take eons.
    So you're finally in the country you wanted and you need to work to pay off the debt for getting here, and you know you have a starving family to feed back home. You're separated from your family to work elsewhere; you're feeling lonely and missing your family. Working conditions are terrible. You are despised by others, especially the citizens of THAT country (very true in Singapore, believe me).

    You striked for better working conditions. Instead, you get imprisoned or even deported back to your country and never to return.

    Damn, that's hard.

    "Which side of the table do you wish to be on?"


    In conclusion: Better to be rich than poor. Now get your ass back to work and take action. Because if you're in the labor market, you MIGHT suffer the same fate - your fate is being controlled by others.
     
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  2. smalboy

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    Lol why do you always post SG stuff here? :)
     
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  3. BlackSeng

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    Because SG is a good example of how the rich can really control everything. It also shows the pure unbalance of power of capitalism.
    No, I'm not againsting the rich and I'm not against capitalism. But use them as motivation. :p
     
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    Can't agree more with your conclusion. Poor people have to always suffer. Their life is worthless. No one bothers if they die but if a rich person dies, then entire country knows. Sir, government of every country is same. They do whatever they feel. When time comes, they forget their own rules. They have separate laws for both poor and rich, which itself is appalling

    So, this is my request to all my fellow blackhatters, work hard and become rich. Because, these days a poor can't even demand his basic rights. If you're poor, you don't deserve to live on this planet. You're obnoxious. I know it's pathetic and my blood boils seeing the world we live now but that's how things are and we can either accept it or get crushed by our respective governments.

    Work harder= Earn money= Live a peaceful & Respectful life.

    Cheers :)
     
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    We can do it.
     
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    We Can & We will.

    Cheers :)
     
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    I have a colleague in army who is from a rich family. And dammit, he is so spoilt.
    I'm not badmouthing him... he's a good friend. In fact, we all have some bad traits or characteristics.

    Well anyway, when he was tasked to do a FEW simple things, he would complain saying it's just "too much work", become stressed, and kept bugging for rest days. Because his family is rich, he can buy whatever he wants without worrying.
    He buys branded clothes ranging from $70-100! All from his parent's money.

    One day, my friends and I were discussing about the trait of being hardworking. We even criticize how some people can get such high position when they simply do not deserve it. Then when he heard that, he argued back saying WE need such people to hold a high seat. Because they 'deserve' it and we 'need' them. And he laughed at the trait of being hardworking. He said being hardworking is useless... because road sweepers are all hardworking, yet they are hopeless and despised upon.

    I was appalled and disappointed with him when I heard that.
    Yes, to some there's such thing as "working smart" than "hardworking". Still, it's a respectable trait when someone has it.
    I can't imagine having children with such mindset, seriously..

    Age of entitlement, I guess.
     
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  8. jazzc

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    BlackSeng, the less you worry about other people 's lives and property, the more you will focus on yours. :eek:

    You can complain all day long about how others are not up to your standards, but at the end of the day that won't make your position better. ;)
     
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    True, jazzc. In fact, I didn't worry about such things for a long time. I used to ponder such things A LOT.
    I was working myself busy to my success when suddenly such news appear.
    And I hate to admit but I'm a heavy thinker (a bad thing). Once such things are reported, I could think so deep that I will be thinking it for days.

    OCD? Maybe. lol.
    But true, thanks for reminding me though. I better stop thinking it further and get back to work.

     
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    @BlackSeng: Your friend has got everything hereditary so now he would not realize the importance of hard work. However, he'd have a tough time if there comes a point when he loses all his wealth and is forced to work in order to survive. It is during that time he'll realize the importance of hard work. I will tell you my story. When I started with my first job, I was dumb and didn't know how crooked this world can be.
    It was during those days, when I worked like a donkey for earning a mere $100 a month (it was a tele-caller job), I met a friend who explained me the difference between a smart human and a donkey. He said, donkey are those who work 12hrs a day for someone and get paid 1/3 of their total hard work. However, when it comes smart humans, they work for few hours and get paid far more than person working for 12 hrs. He explained me that this world doesn't value hard work instead everyone wants you to be smart and quick. Even donkey works hard, so what's the difference between you and a donkey, if you follow the same footsteps.

    We have got a phenomenal brain, we must use it more often. Find newer ways to make money & once we are rich, use the money to elevate the poor people & at the same live an awesome life. Earn more. Give more.

    Cheers :)
     
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    In other words, you mean to say that we should become cold-hearted. I can see that the modern world is reaching to that state but don't you think we are moving towards becoming animals. I had read during my childhood days, "History recapitulates phylogeny" (History repeats itself), and I can see that happening. I feel the pain of poor people in my country, and since it makes me feel helpless because there's little I can do for them at the moment, so I avoid pondering over it. Anyways, you're right with your statement.

    Cheers :)
     
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  12. bigman

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    Makes me realize how stupid our societal and economic systems are. I mean there is only so much money to go around and therefore, logically, there can only be so many rich people. This means, do what you may there will always be poor people and there will always be people that will suffer. I'm really thinking these days if the caste/class system was way better than what we have today. Atleast every caste had a specific role to play in society and they were assured of a livelihood and never had to spend even a moment worrying about where the next morsel was coming from. They were probably way more happier and satisfied than we are. Equality isn't everything. Happiness is.
     
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    Not really, in other words I 'm saying mind your own business because that what 's important to you and your family.


    Just take a look how many hundreds of millions of people have died horribly in the last 100 years because of other people 's actions and you 'll see things differently.

    The best sustainable way to help others is to make yourself rich. Win-win.
     
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    @Jazzc: You did postmortem of every sentence of mine. :p ... I agree with you with most of your points, but I do have some differences. Nevertheless, money is the ultimate solution for improving the standard of our life.

    Cheers :)
     
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    You need a lesson in Econ 101 :)
    While there will always be a relative difference to classify people as poor and rich, they do not mean the same thing. A poor person in the US is not the same as a poor person in an African country. Not by a long shot. The reason for this is the difference in economic growth between countries. And economic growth is a function of production which is a function of capital accumulation.

    In a caste system, if you were born a poor servant, you would die a poor servant - you would never be allowed to move upwards. That 's the fairness you advocate?

    In today 's system, if you put the effort, you will. There 's no law to stop you.

    I 'm pretty sure there are places around the world with a cast system that would allow you to join at the lowest rank. Do that and let us know how happy you become ;)
     
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    Immigrants are despised in Singapore?
    But how? How do they know that so and so is an immigrant?
     
  17. BlackSeng

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    The accent and the color of the individual.
    Believe me.. it's very easy to tell and differentiate.
     
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    It's very distinct, from the way they twist their tongue when they speak to the way they look and the way they smell and squeeze into public transport. One Indian pushed me onto the ground just so that he could get on the train. Even gave me a death stare as the train sped off. Could say that they had "training" even before they came to Singapore. Can't wait to get a permanent residency somewhere else once I complete my compulsory National Service.
     
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    My cousin lives in Singapore and I was chatting with her sometime back on this topic. She said that Chinese in Singapore have already separated themselves from other communities. They are not on Good terms with Indians and local Singaporeans.
     
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    Not really. I have very good friends who are both Indians and Malays(The natives of the land). The local Singaporeans are able to bond as we're "home-grown" and we know our culture well and we understand. The trouble is with these new "Ah Tiongs" or PRC and Native Indian workers who come into our land looking for work and not show respect for our unique culture. That's where the friction starts.