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Better & more links than everyone but not in top 10..

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gentzalli, May 18, 2017.

  1. gentzalli

    gentzalli Junior Member

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    I have a much higher Ahrefs URL rating and TF than all of my competitors, and my on page is pretty good too (not only my opinion). but I can't get to the first page. Some of them don't even have links.

    I feel like Google is just ranking them because they have big names and authority (walmart, amazon, etc.) and that I don't have a chance, no matter how much link-building I do.


    P.S. I know that google doesn't use any of these metrics, but they do have a correlation with the SERPS. my stuff is just so much higher and it boggles my mind.
     
  2. dogilim

    dogilim Regular Member

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    i have same problem.
     
  3. drstew

    drstew Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    You mention Walmart, Amazon are in the SERP, are all the sites in the SERP eCommerce sites and you're trying to rank a blog post? Google does favor eCommerce in certain serps. Do you see other blog posts ranking in the SERP?

    Look at helping your user metrics as well. Improve your SERP CTR, time on site and bounce rate. If you've covered everything the other competitors have it usually comes down to user metrics.
     
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    Depending on the site, some may be hiding their links from SEO tools such as ahrefs and as a result you may be seeing wrong ratings.
     
  5. redarrow

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    I recon hidden pbn
    method
     
  6. queenjude

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    It's a product like "basketball shoes" - I doubt you will ever beat Walmart, Amazon, Nike, etc. Big brand names are almost impossible to beat. But if it's a longer tail like "basketball shoes reviews 2017" - then you can outrank them. As for your competitors with DA/PA of 1/1 or has crappy Majestic metrics but still on page 1... they're likely using PBN. Try using the free backlink checkers - they can sometimes pick up 1 or 2 of their PBN sites and perhaps you can find a footprint to unlock the network...
     
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    As someone mentioned before, trying to rank a blog post for a keyword dominated by eCommerce sites is hard.

    If your site has low authority its even harder.

    Then you have to realize Google is moving much slower these days.
     
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  8. gentzalli

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    I am indeed trying to rank a blog and the top 10 results are all ecommerce so that may very well be my answer.

    As for what the others have said, I don't think they're using hidden PBN links. I'm not sure they're even targeting this keyword directly because less than half even have the full keyword in the title & description.

    I'm right on the second page so it would be quite painful to quit now
     
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    If its not a buyer intent type keyword e.g. (Best xx, xx reviews) then it will be hard to crack the first page. When KW researching for Amazon sites its always good to see other affiliate niche sites ranking for the KW. This is healthy competition and means you just beat them at the game. I've outranking Amazon single product pages easily, but outranking a Amazon category page or a full eCommerce SERP is hard to do.
     
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    Does it depend alot on the volume of the keyword ? Like if it is a specific ecom niche with only 1-2k searches a month the amazon pages could mean super weak competition on serp?
     
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    This is one of those cases, where you did your KW research wrong. KW research is the most crucial part of the entire SEO campaign. It's here where it is decided whether you rank or not. Sure, you can rank for pretty much anything, but the budget may be X times higher. Outranking high authority ecommerce sites like this can be borderline impossible.

    Also, if your backlink profile is that good, make sure that your onsite SEO is spot on and that your anchor densities are perfect as well.
     
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  12. codePerformance

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    I have written a big article abou that problem some weeks ago on another forum.
    Google has its own "trust" metrics which only favour established ecommerce platforms like ebay, amazon, and all other big brands. That's the reason why 9 of 10 startups fail at these days, it's fraudulent monopolism at its finest.
     
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    It's not only for ecommerce...

    I have done some extensive research recently in several niches and compared all the top results for different keywords. I didn't find a common denominator even once... There was no correlation between the number of backlinks, age of domain and position on G. It almost seems to be completely random lately...
     
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    Exactly, sometimes I can see a correlation between Majestic Trust flow and rankings but they are as many as results without any correlation. But trust flow is not something which can be produced (look at my current case study: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/case-study-trust-flow-do-it-yourself.940849/ ). I think we are in the darkest days of SEO now.
     
  15. Anders3

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    I actually read it and it was very interesting.

    One more thing by the way I noticed: many of the sites with the top positions on G had a very bad backlink profile (like 85-90% of the links came from basically spam sites). However, at the same time people like you say they do not see any good results recently from backlinks. I agree that the game is changing and not in the good direction so far.
     
  16. starki

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    In general, the search intent assumed by Google must match the type of website. Wasn't a problem in the past, but over the last year, it became pretty much impossible. Example: We had a site ranking for "medical condition" as well as "medical condition cure", "medical condition medicine/medication", "medical condition (home/natural) remedy". All top 3 rankings, we outranked WebMD, Havard, Mayoclinic and so on for about 2 years. Suddenly, "medical condition" dropped to oblivion, 50+, all other combo terms are still ranking as before. Google simply decided that our site isn't the right type of result for the generic term. Nothing you can do about it. No, it's not a keyword penalty or manual action, the same subpage (massive, about 25000 words) that ranked for the generic term still ranks for the other keywords.