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Best DAW for windows? I want to make soundtracks similar to this...

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  1. TheSlug

    TheSlug Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Hey guys,

    So a buddy of mine has been showing me some music tracks he made in "logic" but... I'm on a windows computer so I can't run that software. I've been trying to find the best alternative for making soundtracks similar to stuff kavinsky makes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV_3Dpw-BRY

    I've heard extremely mixed reviews between FL Studio and Ableton. They also have quite a hefty price tag stuck on them...

    So I'm a bit stuck on what to do. I'de love to hear some feedback from someone who has some experience with these. Seems like mac has all the good DAW's for making some sick soundtracks lol grrrr

    I'm not a fan of getting cracked stuff b/c my computer is my life and i don't need a virus. So I don't mind spending a couple hundred bucks. But Ableton is like $500+ for limited features.. wtf. Plz shed some light here guys

    thanks! cheers
     
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    There are so many different opinions about DAWs.
    I dont produce myself but I know plenty of producers and everyone is saying something different. I guess they all have similar features, just the workflow might be different.

    You might also want to check out cubase, thats a decent one too.
     
  3. KunkkaSword

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    Find something you like and stick with it. Workflow will be the deciding factor. They all share similar features.

    I would recommend FL Studio only because I have been using it since it was Fruity Loops.
     
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    FL Studio is by far the easiest to use, especially if you're just starting out.

    Cubase is also good, as mentioned above, but it's got a bot of a steeper learning curve, in my experience. Both are pretty powerful tools though so I doubt you'd regret whatever you decide to purchase.

    Are you drunk? You're on another thread accusing people of being poor members of this forum, and you're posting drivel like this?
     
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  5. TheSlug

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    Thanks guys so i'm on their buy page: https://support.image-line.com/jshop/shop.php
    It looks like there's a lot of 'plugins' for this thing. Man i'm still new so I honestly don't know which bundle to get and what I actually need.

    Do you have any experience to where you can tell me which bundle will be best to achieve soundtracks/sounds similar to lazerhawk-overdrive and kavinsky like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrWI99niJW0

    I don't want to overspend, but i also don't want to get the cheap package and then spend a ton of money on plugins. Cubase also looks good but is a lot more money...
    Thanks for all the input guys!!!
     
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    Holy shit. The price of FLs Bundle doubled since I bought it back in 2002.

    You really don't need the bundle and let me explain why.

    Back when I bought the Bundle I was guaranteed a lifetime of free updates. Which I've got. But everytime FL releases some new software for the Bundle you gotta pay for it separately. Back then I think I payed $299-$349 for EVERYTHING. Except FL Studio didn't have many plugins back then.

    So as they got more and more plugins... then these plugins became "bread & butter" (ie. Maximus) I realized I would just keep paying and paying for all this shit as long as I kept using FL Studio. Fastforward 14 years + all the updates I TORRENTED a copy with the registration key and used that key + new plugins to get all the newer shit in the Bundle. Then I keep a separate version of FL Studio on another computer with my original registration key. It's a "cleaner" version with less compatability problems.

    What I'd do, buy their cheaper producer edition. Once you get a handle and need more & better tools (from the bundle) just torrent them.

    Here's the more important thing to consider. It DOESN'T MATTER that much which sequencer you use. But I'll say this:

    1) The polls I've seen show the majority of producers use FL Studio. I've seen multiple polls over the years. Some in music magazines others on forums ... for every 1 producer using Ableton there's 2 using FL Studio. For every 1 producer using Reason there's like 3-4 using FL Studio. Which is cool af. Cause back in 2002 I got made fun of for buying and using FL Studio. Nobody considered it a real sequencer. TBO I didn't even consider it a real sequencer (since I was use to Reason). But it's come a LONG WAY since then. And as far as noobs go, I can't think of an easier program to learn.

    2) For me there are only 3 choices. #1) Logic #2) Reason #3) FL Studio. FL Studio is unbelievably powerful when rewired with Reason (Reason I torrented). Logic is also great program. If I ever changed sequencers I'd get a mac + Logic. But with FL + Reason you get an incredibly powerful mix of 2 very unique and VERY different sequencers.

    3) The subject of torrenting itself. You gotta keep in mind that regardless of which sequencer you use.... you're gonna need (or want) all the "best brushes" to paint with. One example. Waves Diamond Bundle. Do you plan on dropping $999 for Waves? What about Izotope Ozone? Izotope Trash? Ohmicide distortion. Quad. Sylenth. Massive. FM 8. V-Station. Albino. Vanguard. Nexus. Trillian. Komplete 10 ($500). PSP Vintage Warmer. Camel Phat. Camel Space. Fab Filter... Melodyne (awesome program) there are 100's of other VSTS, FX or software that I use.

    Then there's hardware. I've paid for like 10% the software I own, 90% of the money I would have put towards VSTs, Romplers and FX I put towards GOOD GEAR. High end production PC. Good monitors. Good desk. Good mixer. Good midi keyboard. Soundcard. Soundproofing. Access Virus Ti2, Mopho, Blofeld, etc.

    Clearly you don't need all this shit.

    But once you start producing at a certain level... the LAST THING you want is to be in "discovery mode" when producing. By that I mean wasting time learning or looking for basic sounds when you should already have everything laid out neatly in your own libraries. I can't count how much time I wasted looking for really basic sounds. Like a REALISTIC GUITAR. Or violin. As basic as strings are.... VSTs just don't do them well. One thing I WISH I did from day 1 was find, download and organize all my sounds/soundbanks those first couple years. Instead I wasted time trying to make beautiful music with inferior sounds cause my library was poorly stocked and organized.

    This is 1 thing a lot pros have in common. Their libraries tend to be well stocked & organized... at least better than noobs and amateurs. If they hear a sound maybe they don't know how to reproduce it off the top of their head. But they KNOW where they already have a similar sound. They know exactly where it is. Meanwhile a noob is gonna be on Google reading, watching videos & wasting time. To avoid this don't look for sounds "as needed". You should dedicate hours / days where you don't make any music at all. Instead, focus on building, organizing, renaming your library and banks. If you hear a preset you LIKE, rename it to something you'll remember. If you're using certain "mixer states" over and over, save them as files. Same with templates. Good templates save a lot of time. Use sends and buses you don't need reverb and delay on every channel.

    Another thing I wish I did was learn FL Studio sooner. I don't think I read "The FL Bible" till after using FL for 4-5 years. There are so many things FL Studio can do, little tips/tricks that you wanna learn early on. And you MAY find some of these things just using the program or you might miss them for 10 years like I did. For instance, adding new patterns in between exist patterns. FL Studio never had this option. I have no idea when they slipped it in. One day I noticed it and was like "wtf"... I've wasted all these years copying and pasting patterns into higher blocks to make room for clones in lower blocks. So when you update the software, READ all the new features and UNDERSTAND them. Don't skim read through them.

    Finally, just a stupid tip. But as a track evolves 1 thing I like to use is "save as new version". It took me a long time to start doing this. The more I add to a track, the more versions I save. This will save you a lot of time and it's ok to have 20 versions of 1 track. Cause many times a track takes a direction you later realize is bad. Rather than manually undo everything in FL (which is sometimes impossible) you just open the earlier version.

    It's also wise to dedicate folders for "serious" projects. There's some tracks I've been working on for YEARS. Projects where I'm using 90 channels & I have bounced audio that's associated to the version that audio was made. Maybe I don't realize till version 7 that the bass doesn't fit. So I go back to version 3 (wherever the bass was saved in that state) then redo / rebounce it. Also, don't let FL autoname new versions. Name them yourself like "[song name] kick + bass ver 1" then [song name] KB + percussion ver 2" then [song name] KBP + melody ver 3" etc.

    Another good idea is to NOT save all your songs "FLPs" in 1 folder. Make a series of folders like:

    Templates
    Scrap Work (for experimental, small sized FLPs)
    Crap Work (more than half your tracks should wind up here)
    Tracks (you put your more serious tracks here)
    Best Tracks (keep all your top tracks here)

    If you don't do it this way you'll wind up with a folder with hundreds of FLPs and you'll have no idea where all the "good stuff" is.
    Try to keep the names of tracks as objective as possible. There are 2 ways I do this. A) By writing the artist that inspired me to make the track somewhere in the name. B) By writing the exact song (or songs) that inspired me. I always add this at the end along with the date so I don't have to open 100 tracks to find 1 in particular.

    Any other questions you have just ask.

    -BB
     
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    Wow man thanks for spending the time to write all that out! Do you have a skype? I'de love to chat more! I'm The.slug04. Or you can pm me your facebook.

    The thing is like if i'm going to torrent anything I might as well torrent everything. The last thing I want is a virus or some adware shit, everytime i've gotten torrents in the past I just can feel my computer acting different and slower when it comes to stuff like video editing... maybe i'm just being paranoid lolol

    Is there a specific plugin you would recommend me getting to achieve the sounds that i'm trying to get. I really want those lazerhawk/kavinsky sounds. That miami vice type stuff.
     
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    It depends what interface you like the most, both FL and Ableton are industry leaders in the field, and you should choose what interface you like the most. I don't know if they offer trial but if they do download them and test them and then choose whichever program you like
     
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    Sandboxie doesn't mean you won't get a virus, nor does any vm
     
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    Ok, so it's been a while since I last did all this stuff, so there might be better stuff out there now, but in the case of "Massive", I somehow doubt it. Just so you know, plugins usually do have a lot of templates, but you're unlikely to find the exact sound you're looking for, without some tweaks. Youtube has a ton of tutorials for this stuff.

    Two plugins I always loved:
    Toxic Biohazard: http://www.image-line.com/plugins/Synths/Toxic+Biohazard/
    NI Massive: http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/synths/massive/

    Apparently Synthmaster is amazing nowadays, but I've never actually given it a try: http://www.kv331audio.com/
     
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    I've always got the best sound out of reason and using all the Native Instrument plugins. I LOVE Absynth.
     
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    Viruses can't escape VMs without a 0-day. So, until you get hit by a 3-letter agency approved virus, you're safe running your cracks in a VM.