Im not into this monthly fee shit. I would prefer pay one big one off than indefinite monthly fees. Then agian I could get one month then quit on and off etc. but thinking longterm if i like a tool i want to pay for it and be done with it. Ive been weighing up the costs and benefits of diff programs. I originally got zenno for the benefit of it allowing me to fix templates on the fly etc. senuke is overpriced shit as far as im concerned so doesnt come into the equation. Now Ive been dabbling with zenno for prob over 6 months months ish now I realize how much of a time hog it is. It pretty much sucks up ALL of my time making just web 2s. once they are done great but the little shit break every other day so debugging is a constant timesink and this is with only 12 I dread to think what it would be like with 30+. The alternative of buying templates is also ridiculous as ppl quote thousands for 40 or 50 templates when I could just get a one off lifetime package of ultimate demon for that. Which leads me to ultimate demon. Ive heard alot of ppl raving about this on the seo block of late. I like the dual option of either monthly fee or lifetime for 400 dollars. As I said I hadnt been looking into anything else for the past 6 months really since I had been using zenno exclusively- but in that whole 6 months ive managed to come up with the staggering total of 12 working web 2s probably less now cos they break nearly every day. Granted I could make them quicker now as most of that was due to leanring curve but still as I said the time thing is the big drawback of zenno. So interested to hear about the other tools on the block and mostly ultimate demon and if it has any rivals price/performance wise.