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Discussion in 'Hire a Freelancer' started by scam crusher, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. scam crusher

    scam crusher Regular Member

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    I am looking for someone who is seo savvy that will do whatever methods to drive traffic to my page, i will offer that person 7% of whatever the site makes.we have sold three deals so far average just over 8k. That was just myself selling to a few hundred names i called. we are a groupon clone site, so it is the big thing to do right now. We own a full service online ad company that will be doing all the advertising, but lacking the seo expert.

    Pm me if interested.
     
  2. lewi

    lewi Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Im sure you will get people applying to do this but honestly you need to look at paying a fixed monthly payment for the cost of the seo work (people who are actually worth their value especially on a site as big as this [or should be as big] will have monthly expenses and maybe even a team).

    Then to keep them motivated put up a % or bonus payment plan based on traffic or keywords or something.

    Send me a PM with your site as well as the goals and current business model (i.e. how you promote and expand in brief) and i will let you know what i can offer.

    Lewi
     
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    People who offer % or commission deals means they don't have any money up front which is weird because you said you had 3 "deals" which averaged $8k.

    Plus 7% is an odd commission. I wouldn't go lower than 10% but don't expect to get any real SEOs with a commission offer.

    SEO is an investment, either take it or lose out.
     
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  4. scam crusher

    scam crusher Regular Member

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    I am a sales guy so i like to see people perform for their money. If a sales guy comes to me and says that he wants the plan that can make him the most money that pay plan is always a low base and a high commission. I know that he will be busting his hump to make that money.

    Same thing goes for SEO or anything for that matter...if you know you will make more money by the harder you work then you are going to work that much harder. So if the seo guy isnt all they say they are, then i dont lose out. Where as i wont know results for a few weeks or months...the seo that would come on a commission structure with my site would get dividends off the site immediately.

    Also, i have shopped around and good SEO guys are anywwhere from $300 to $700 a month. Even if i am full of it and my team only closes 1 campaign for $5k lets say. at 7% you would still make more than the lowest guy i have been quoted. MY team makes over 20k calls a month, trust me, we will make more than one sale.

    As for people saying that people that offer commission only dont have any money can be a slippery slope. Some do and some dont. Like i said before, i see it as motivation not as a slap in the face or someone not having money to back them up.

    Besides that, arent any of you SEO guys salesman yourselves? Does anyone counteroffer?
     
  5. Ravasz

    Ravasz Registered Member

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    If you've already found good guys for $300, why are you coming here offering to pay more? If you're a true sales pro like you claim to be, you'd be making 300 calls a day. If you can make 24k per day, (based on your averages of a few hundred calls, times 3 sales at around 8k) then by all means go for it. Your posts contradict themselves. As Lewi said, I'm sure people will apply for your job. Like everything else in life, you get what you pay for.
     
  6. scam crusher

    scam crusher Regular Member

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    You are correct if i had the time to make a bunch of calls i would. as for making three sales out of 300 calls, thatt is from my personal client file that i pulled them from. I put the average out there to show what could be had. How do i contradict myself...i say that i geet tthe best out of people by giving them higher commissions lower base. So if i pay someone 300 to 700 in my mind that is average/good....if someone wants to take on commission then they show they want to prove they are going to do what thtey say.

    i just said i was a sales guy...never said i was anything specacular. I will say this though, i am usually a good judge of character and you at least spoke your mind....and i respect that. You will go on thinking the way you do about guys like me and i guarantee, maybe it wont be me, but you will miss a solid opportunity. cause honestly, you dont know anything about my company or who i may be.

    just my two cents
     
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  7. scam crusher

    scam crusher Regular Member

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    and i agree you do get what you pay for...so if i pay a guy $1k a month in a base salary vs a guy that is workring off commission that makes that same 1k, who do you think works harder?

    i can guarantee you the base salary guy isnt. i see base salary guys everyday doing the bare minimum to not get fired.


    get what you pay for with a base salary ...give me a break
     
  8. butterrr

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    @scam_crusher - i agree with you, you can outsource ur seo to someone who's 300/month but your unlikely to get results, but if your SEO guy is incentivised to get you more sales/leads to make more money then as u said he'll work his arse off..

    if ur still looking for someone message me as im interested..
     
  9. Ravasz

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    Scam, I completely agree with what you're saying. Obviously commissions should be used to get the most out of your employees and to have them try harder. I used to do work with a lot of call centers when they were trying to generate leads for various products but the overwhelming issue I ran into was companies trying to low ball for lead generation. Simple put, lead generation leads to sales generation which is the only way you make money. One quick example I was offered 20% commission, on an ebook, that they would sell online for $20 ($4 YES!). In turn they would make 80%, and have a bizop lead of someone willing to pay money to learn how to work from home. Their TV ads they ran, they averaged having to pay $150 for a person willing to come to a free seminar, or receive a free copy of the book mailed to them.

    Try to be realistic with your requests. You could have the greatest program in the world, but if I bring in a $6000 sale, through entirely my efforts (spending my time, money, and resources), and you offer a $420 commission it doesn't sound to enticing. How many leads would have to be generated to gather that sale? Cost per lead, etc... I don't think the numbers would workout well at 7%. You'll also make a lot more money paying 25% a sale to a guy who brings in 10 a month, than 7% to a guy who brings in 3.

    Regardless, it sounds like you probably have a great product, I know that I have used Groupon, and it seems to be very popular, and I wish you the best of luck.
     
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    RealBlackHat Registered Member

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    lol 7%? hahahahahaha....

    NO.
     
  11. scam crusher

    scam crusher Regular Member

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    typical call center commission structures are 3% - 10%. Yes SEO can increase sales, but it isnt worth more than what your sales team is doing. If you think that 7% isnt enough then you obviously dont know much about business.

    JUst an fyi, lets say that the rep makes 7& then their manager makes a cut of atleast another 7% then we pay the SEO guy 7%. There is 21% lowend before you even get to paying for the leads, their hourly wages, a portion of the leasing space, the calling software and the list goes on.

    WHen running a business monday morning quarterback style it is very easy to say that a commission is to low.
     
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    who cares what you think - if you could do the Seo yourself you would be doing it.

    Seo has fixed costs just like any business - so if you are not covering those until the Seo takes hold - then I'm just lending you money on the hope you pay me in the future.

    doing business with people over the internet has its ups and downs - ie trust factor/scam factor etc etc - I understand that - but you gotta do better than this - because no-one would seriously consider helping you with the current incentive only deal.
     
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  13. beezee

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    As someone in sales you should understand how to speak the language of the person you are trying to appeal to. Looking on an SEO forum to hire an SEO is a start, but you're talking about the ins and outs of running your business, and expecting your potential hire to understand and appreciate that.

    What people are telling you is the language you should be speaking if you want to hire a talented SEO. Your hire isn't interested in your operating expenses, nor should they be. As an experienced and accomplished SEO, I feel safe speaking for other experienced and accomplished SEOs in saying our concern is our operating expenses.

    Just saying, with your claimed sales background, you should be able to see the priorities of the person you're trying to appeal to, and focus on those. That is if you're looking for talent anyway.

    Hire someone on commission only to test out a method they got from an ebook they bought on WF and cross your fingers you get lucky with the results. If you want real results, you need research, content creation, technical resources for syndication, and more. This adds up to something that takes a team not an individual, and has upfront costs. Like iseegreen said, to anyone who knows what they are doing, you are asking not only for a good faith investment in time, but a financial loan to cover the inevitable costs of effective SEO.

    Use your sales experience to understand the needs of your prospect when hiring someone to handle your SEO, and you will find real talent that can deliver. Just my two cents.

     
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    I totally agree. Sounds like you may want to post in the JV category. I have JV'd for 10+ years and always have upfront costs to cover "SEO". I totally agree with beezee - you are essentially asking for a loan from those of us who know this business.

    And at $300 a month - expect to hire a total noob, with a couple of hours of SEO learning under their belt - not a pro who will get you where you want to be with a real business. In the States, expect 5k a month min retainer, plus a profit share. (I have no interest in this project, just trying to lend some insight.) I have no passion for groupon clone sites, but wish you the best - lots of opportunity for the local small business community in that space. Focus on a local area, and you could make your fortune, maybe even get taken out by groupon down the road.

    Just my two cents - and with inflation, that ain't what it used to be. Good luck to ya.
     
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    Well Said..

    This is the part I am not understanding, there ARE upfront SEO Costs. I have been dong SEO for 4yrs or so and YES you need $$ to Make $$ even in this aspect. Expecting someone like me to lay out start-up costs for your SEO Project is unreasonable. You offer 7% of expected sales, well SEO is just that it's not SALES. A Question.. If SEO is working.. your incoming #'s are right and sales are not made? Who get's paid? I do a lot of SEO Work locally and I also do some that is outsourced via freelance sites and I ALWAYS charge an initial fee to begin the work as well as a monthly fee. I also state that I CAN and WILL Bring the traffic and Targeted customers BUT I CANNOT Guarantee sales.. this would be the sales teams job. I also state that if I live up to my end of the contract I get paid REGARDLESS of sales.

    I have run into too many people with a dollar and a dream trying to get me to buy into their fantasy of big riches, only to try and blame me when they can't close the deal with quality leads I have provided. A Percentage might work with a guy who is new to SEO but like stated many times before.. you WILL get what you pay for.

    -Mus
     
  16. scam crusher

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    if i had known you SEO guys would freak out for offering 7& i wouldve never posted. I will stick with my guru.com seo guys that are doing what i would think to be decent traffic movement the last couple weeks. But what do i know i am a sales guy that is paying a jv squad seo ccompany $250 a month.

    Great, you guys know about seo and i dont.

    you win i guess. I will stick to sms and appending...leave the big time for all you guys.
     
  17. BassTrackerBoats

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    I was going to offer you some thoughts and as a sales guy and an SEO guy I don't think what you are offering is so bad.

    The attitude is a little rough though as a solid sales guy you should have a thicker skin.

    It may be that I am older and thus more seasoned but I think you were offered some pretty good advice/ideas in this thread and you probably could have sold someone on working with you at 7%... I don't see 7% on 8K as a bad thing if one can drive traffic.

    SMS is not SEO by the way, it is a way to drive direct traffic and no different than buying leads which is a short term approach to a long term business model so you may want to rethink that.

    Just some random thoughts from a guy that has 30+ years of business experience, can out sell 90% of other sales guys and has a solid handle on SEO.
     
  18. scam crusher

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    i didnt mean i was going to use sms to drive traffic to the site, i meant i know about that and appending so i will just stick to that.

    I agree that i did have some solid advice, but then you have to deal with the talkers.

    I have three guys that have contacted me so they are right there were guys out there that were interested, but they must be JV.

    I dont have thirty years of experience like you, but i have eight years that tells me most of these guys complaining about 7% will find something else to complain about. If i had offered 10% to start with then some wouldve said, "oh you should pay 15%" or some other comment about how they wouldnt do it for less than X. Like i said, not as experienced, but know that someone will find something wrong with what you are offering no matter what.

    I would bet 10 to 1 that if i came back in here a month from now under another screen name made the same offer, but offered 10% or more even that you would hear moans and groans.

    like i said, sorry i even posted.
     
  19. BassTrackerBoats

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    Of course they will but that is where you put your think skin shirt on and ignore them and work with the ones that are interested.

    Getting someone to work for you is no different than selling to someone... you work with what you can work with and move on from those that you cannot work with.

    It's the same kind of numbers game only in reverse.

    And, if you are sorry you posted here, you need more seasoning as you did state that you got some solid advice and getting having to weave your way through some unproductive comments for solid advice is a pretty education.
     
  20. scam crusher

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    your are totally correct. i am being a vaj. thanks for your input. the funny thing is that i tell my reps the same thing you are telling me almost daily. I guess we have to get a little humble pie every now and then.