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Basically you can be sued successfully for 90% of marketing techniques

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by ppaizon217, May 16, 2016.

  1. ppaizon217

    ppaizon217 Regular Member

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    So, as a media company offering my services..
    I can't in theory:

    send emails
    call
    send letters
    send msgs on socials

    to somehow advertise my services, if these business did not give me the authorization to do so.

    How the hell am I expected to get clients? aside from clients referring other clients, which is impossible at the start of the company...

    Exclusively by paying for traffic on search engines, socials, etc?

    Can I still be sued if I send letters to business which exclusively asks them to partecipate a completely free meeting?
    I think...yes, even that could be "advertising", as even if you do never ever mention your services, the court could easily understand it's a kind of "lead magnet" and therefore identified as "advertising".

    What? Maybe I'm wrong and that's just for personal emails/numbers?
    Contacting business phones and sending emails/mails to business adresses for marketing is legal even without optin ?
     
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  2. ttub44

    ttub44 Registered Member

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    There is a time and a place for everything. You most likely are not contacting the correct branches of these businesses. And if you're thinking negatively, then yes you can sue anyone for anything, but that doesn't mean its illegal.
     
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    Ste Fishkin BANNED BANNED Jr. VIP

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    Good point OP.

    Maybe this business is just not for you.
     
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    Syste M BANNED BANNED

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    You can call anyone you want....

    You can mail anyone you want....

    You can send messages to anyone on social media as long as there privacy settings allow it....

    And if you purchased or collected the emails, you can also email people reltentlessly till they opt-out

    Not sure what you're trying to get at OP.
     
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    Q TeeKitty Registered Member

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    You most likely are not contacting the correct branches of these businesses.
     
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    BassTrackerBoats Super Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    One of the reasons you may want to consider using an LLC or C-Corp for any business you transact in the USA.
     
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    Wait, so e-mail lists could land me in prison for 20+ years?

    I don't completely comprehend what you're getting at, OP!
     
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    spamming e-mails is illegal in most European countries, you can face huge fines if you do.
     
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    Irresistible offers are a way to cloak yourself and non spammy or suitable in the post donation category. Make sure what you offer has value to the caller and holds a benefit that other common services don't have.

    Overall cold calling / other tactics can be made legal if you have similar processes to clubs or groups in which local people benefit.
     
  10. ppaizon217

    ppaizon217 Regular Member

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    A limited company how can help to not be sued? I'm not sure I've got the point
     
  11. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Super Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    They can sue the company but if you set things up correctly, you are not liable.

    I do not conduct any business at all unless it is under some kind of corporate veil, and in fact, my personal home is set up as owned by an entity as well.
     
  12. ppaizon217

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    So, whats the difference if you setted up correctly a limited company what happens if your said limited company loses in court and got to paid let's say 30.000dollars but you don't have them amd between it happening to you without a limited company?
     
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    For specifics on that you want to speak with an attorney that can address your situation specifically. Everyone's situation is different but if any of the entities that we own gets sued and a judgement is entered by the court the entity owes, not us.

    There are a variety of processes one can go through then to not have to pay, should we decide the judgement was not fair, if we choose.

    Your mileage will differ and thus you need to speak with a local attorney who can hear your whole story and offer legal advice.
     
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    But thats why you don't spam from your home base but somewhere from another country. Even better if that country is full of shi!t and filled with lazy bureaucrats
     
  15. toml3030

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    The difference is that if the corporation gets a $30K judgment, the judgment can only be paid by corporation's assets, not your personal. So basically you classify yourself as the corporation's employee and/or shareholder and legally pass the corporation's asset to your personal assets so they can't touch your personal assets if the corporation gets sued. This is the same reasoning that if you have a defective product, you can sue the manufacturer but you can not sue the CEO of the company. This only applies if the court judges the corporation and you to be separate entities.....your corporation must have totally different finances.
     
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  16. toml3030

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    Also, it's useful vice versa. For example if you own a corporation and you get in an auto accident, only you can be sued, not your corporation. I'd bet that's why a lot of celebrities and athletes are on the Panama list. They're not really dodging taxes, they're setting up off shore corporations to hold assets so if they have to declare bankruptcy in the future, they don't lose everything.