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Basic question about ranking

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by karma05, May 13, 2017.

  1. karma05

    karma05 Regular Member

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    Even though I've been on this forum quite a while, I'm pretty new to SEO. Most of my work has involved non-SEO traffic generation strategies up until now.

    Anyway, what I was wondering is, after you have added an article on your site targeting a specific keyword, and after a day or two it gets indexed within Google, will that page generally show up somewhere in the results for that keyword right away? Like in the top 10,000 for example?

    I ask this, because if it did show up in the top 10,000 or whatever for that keyword, that would mean that your on-page SEO has been done right, and now it's all up to your off-page. Am I right about that?


    So in other words, does your page generally show up in the results somewhere pretty much right away IF you've targeted the keyword properly?
     
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    Depends on the competition of the keyword you are targeting.

    If you wrote an article about "top 10 ways to make a working car out of pizza slices and methane particles" you'd most likely rank number 1 straight away for "how to make a working car out of pizza slices and methane particles", but I doubt you'd rank for "methane particles" or "pizza slices" as those keyword results will be saturated with way more relevant results than your article.

    On page is important but generally speaking, it's all about links to rank for valuable keywords.
     
  3. Nargil

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    Depends on the keyword competition. For even medium competition keywords, you will show up somewhere. Top "10K" is bullcrap, because Google shows maximum around 300 results and serp trackers top 100 mostly, so top 10 000 wut? :) Anyways, if you done everything right, you should definitely be ranking somewhere. It's not straight away after indexation though, depending on KW competition it may take longer.
     
  4. karma05

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    By rank, I meant showing up the 5000th result for that keyword right away as soon as you're indexed for example.

    I asked this question because I read this in another thread:

    "Every page on your website should rank for its keyword somewhere in the Google SERPs. You should be in the top 200 for your article at minimum. Preferably, as you begin developing your site (even with zero backlinks), every article you write will at least rank in the top 100 for its main keyword. If it doesn't, the article is either overoptimized or badly written."

    Source: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/phpbuilts-idiot-proof-guide-to-authority-site-building.631067/


    Does he mean that you should be in the top 200 like as soon as you're indexed?
     
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    you can get on low comp on first two pages (top 200) without backlinks

    but i dont think its instant, it will first index it, then maybe after week u will poop to first two pages if its really lowcomp




    if you had linked domain already and interlinked ur new article (still on lowcomp) would be the next day on first page
     
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    If not straight away, then generally how long after indexation for a low-medium competition keyword? It's good to know how you're doing on page wise before you move on with off-page.
     
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    It may be straight away, it may not be straight away. Depends on competition. What you consider "low medium" may actually be medium high in my book, people have very bad estimates of how difficult the keyword is. Try to look for longtails of your main keyword, whether those rank or not. That will give you more insight. If your main KW is blue widgets and you also target "blue widgets for ugly people", then track that one. Those will show up in serps long before the main KW.
     
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    Alright, so how long after indexation generally would a long tail like "blue widgets for ugly people" take to show up someone? And if that long tail was showing up, would that mean that your on-page is well done?
     
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    From my experience, I noticed that for low to medium competition keywords, if you did everything right as far as onpage is concerned than you should land some where within the top 100.
     
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    SEO does not work like this mate. Every case is different.
     
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    The 1st word in ranking issues is "Depends on"
    But about your case there is 2 points I want to reply for it
    1. the Google SERP is up to 300-500 indexed mean it is not the 10k results as you say, but you will not able to got more than 300 - 500 results from Google search
    2. the on-site SEO may done in just basic issues, title, good article, keyword included in your text and/or headers. For my opinion don't go for the on-site templates, just do what you think it gives a good meaning/value.
     
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    I suppose what I'm really asking is, after doing on page optimization, when do you know that it's done correctly so that you can move on to off-page?
     
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    Once you are satisfied with rankings. There are no rulebooks, just experience that you can base this on, depending on KW. Once you will rank a couple sites, you will know where you stand. Sorry, but that's as good answer as anyone can give you, I know you were expecting more. :)
     
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    You should target easy keywords first
     
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    My personal approach for low-medium competition keywords: if they don't rank top 50 without any backlink I tweak the on-page and see what happens. If they're still not top 50 after making changes, maybe they're not worth going after with my budget :)
     
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    Analyse the top 5 pages, see what their onpage is like, create a bigger and better article, include plenty of media, link out to other authority sites, then wait. Wait for it the climb then drop then climb then drop. Eventually it will settle once Google's finished finding its preferred spot for you page. Then start your off page SEO.
     
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    If that specific keyword has low competition, mostly likely you will rank well on serps easily. But still, you need to continuously optimize your SEO to maintain your rankings.