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Banning because of autoblogging

Discussion in 'Blogging' started by BufferOver, Jun 11, 2009.

  1. BufferOver

    BufferOver Regular Member

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    Hi guys

    I'm pretty new in this mainstream stuff, have experience from adult. I've read that many of you got banned from Adsense because of autoblogging? If you don't have permission to copy the text i don't see any other reason to get banned.
     
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    They don't like the automation and they have great ways to figure out if you're doing it or not.

    I don't necessarily think it's the duplicate text.
     
  3. BufferOver

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    How can they figure out that only if you don't rename some of the plugins that are used for that
     
  4. BufferOver

    BufferOver Regular Member

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    bump for more replies ;) experienced autoblogger contribute
     
  5. infinity0

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    then how come techchuck.com playing safe?
     
  6. gbwh

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    i think it has to do with the amount of articles you post and what time frame you do it.

    if google gets notified every day at the same exact time that you post 25 articles to your blog, they will know its an auto blog.

    i have had success with auto blogs, but i have set the times to publish manually and also add some posts manually to help cover it up.

    and the sites have been indexed well for a long time and the pr increases each update.

    gl

    c
     
  7. freller

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    'Autoblogging' itself isn't the problem - it's what you autoblog and how you link your sites.

    Markoved sites are definitely meat for the cleaver, as are sites that bookmark everything to every bookmark site going. Both of those tactics are just dumb. Also, some myths outed:-

    1) The Googlebot would have to be on your site every minute of every day to spot an identical time autosubmission, and it just isn't so that really doesn't count.

    2) I've got article directories that take 100+ articles per day - no ban there either.

    3) As 2) - duplicate content. Nope, not a problem.

    4) Incoming links from shite sites. Yep, I've got those, but they're mixed up with quality links as well so no problemo (the mix of link quality IS important).

    5) Blogger and Wordpress.com sites with just a single page and self-serving outgoing links - had those for over 3 years now and they're still there.

    6) Bad IP? What's a bad IP anyway. Matt Cutts confirmed very recently that Google do not check up on IP addresses, nor domain registration periods either. Two more myths blown up.

    7) Crap content? On my article directories it's some of the crappiest content that ranks the highest. Googlebot really ISN'T very clever, despite what most of the scare/rumor/conspiracy fans will tell you. The human inspections are a different matter though; crap is OK - that's just human - but Markov+/-RSS isn't.

    So, after all that, how can you get deindexed? Number one reason is TOO MANY LINKS TOO QUICKLY TO A BRAND NEW SITE. That's the ONLY reason I've ever been deindexed in the past, and even then the sites were reindexed after I toned things down for a while (also they were subdomains - I have NEVER had a prime domain deindexed).
     
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  8. kaene

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    I got 2 domains, prime domain, not subdomain, deindexed and banned, with a very similar method.

    How do I know it was a ban? I had 5 or 6 subdomains, some of them with real clean and unique content blogs, I created a new subdomain with a blog there, used a method getting auto content from google trends, I started to get traffic and after 2 or 3 weeks it got deindexed, all, the new and any old subdomain, and never indexed anymore.

    I can't know whether this was some manual check because the subdomain was getting traffic to fast, maybe because too many backlinks from the trackbacks, or maybe because I was scrapping google trends

    Now whatever I add to those domains won't get indexed. I tried it already, I created 2 new plugins, uploaded them to wordpress.org, and got the backlinks from wordpress.org (we can accept that a backlink from wordpress.org is a quality link) to a new subdomain, but nothing, no way to get it indexed, google read the robots.txt and the root, but nothing else, and it indexed already the pages in wordpress.org

    So yes, it does exist the ban from google, probably not for normal autoblogs, but for blogs doing things like scrapping google trends
     
  9. Jagged55

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    First off, I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in what Matt Cutts says about anything. At the end of the day, he is just an employee of a company.

    All you can do is keep testing things. Most of the Adsense issues I read about are from people that have "young" accounts. They might be a little harder on the new guys to keep fraud down and quality up. From personal experience, most of my issues with Adsense have come from either competitor complaints or advertiser complaints. If their advertisers are paying for clicks from you and not complaining, I don't think they are going to break your balls.
     
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    We must not take the fact that Google Bowling still exist. Random bannings all across the globe O____O
     
  11. freller

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    Yep, that would do it, as well as:-

    1) Scraping Yahoo Answers (Caffeinated Content and the others :rolleyes:)
    2) Using merchant feeds and adding nothing to the output
    3) Scraping Amazon reviews (man, that new plugin is a dumb idea)
    4) Scraping the SERPs
    5) Scraping forums
    etc.

    In other words, just straight forward scraping stuff and adding absolutely nothing to it (and no, adding generic RSS feeds does not count as 'adding something').

    Those things are just so dumb I've never done them, hence I've never been deindexed for those reasons. I still manage to churn out over 250,000 pages a year of good stuff though (OK, spun good stuff) which Google, Yahoo and Microsoft continue to get wet over. I've stopped using the usual directory feeds because most of the recent articles have been absolute cack (or worse, Chinese cack badly translated into English) and I can do my own in quantity without all those outgoing links that then go dead and screw up your page score.

    Bottom line, the tools are there now to do a good job yourself. If you want to rank for 5 minutes then fine, go for the latest Lazy Autopilot Riches goody, but if you want to go the REALLY lazy way do it right first time and leave it to ferment into a true autopilot traffic machine. Quality content works; even badly written content works with the right title. Just don't scrape the identical stuff as everyone else (and RSS is every bit as much scraping as spanking Yahoo Answers for the nth time).

    By all means blackhat some of your traffic tactics but BHing your content has NEVER worked over the medium and long term and just commits you to a constant round of new site production.
     
  12. DrJekyll

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    how about human review?
     
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    I have quite a few AB's and the only one EVER to be deindexed was hosted at Dreamhost.
    All the others are on their own ip and are doing well.
    Go figure.........
     
  14. Jagged55

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    Ya, this is what I was saying with my post. My guess is that the complaints led to a human review and it was clear that I had violated the TOS for the sites that were booted.
     
  15. BufferOver

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    Guys i'm not meaning about banning from Google but banning from the sponsor like Adsense
     
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    mechasheba Junior Member

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    Google = Adsense

    You could be deindexed and still have an active Adsense account...
     
  17. kaene

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    About the ban from Adsense, the TOS is very clear, read it some times and you will not have any question ........ porn, warez, click your own ads, try to confuse the visitor with images near the ads ..... those things will get you a ban

    About a ban because autocontent, i never heard of anyone who got a ban from adsense because auto content, so probably this will happen only with a human review after someone else complains, because the TOS is not clear here to let them to it if they find it necessary
     
  18. koshiro

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    I've done everything above for many months, except scrape the SERPS for content for my autoblogs. My sites never got de-indexed, adsense never got banned. And I'm still making money from clicks.

    All I have to say is.... your mileage will vary.

    It hasn't hurt me, at least not yet. But I don't put all my eggs into one autoblogging basket so even if anything bad happens I still have my other income sources.
     
  19. freller

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    I've also done those things, but over years in many cases, so I'm just quoting experience.

    The quickest way to getting a whole site truly deindexed is too many links too fast on a new site, which is what I said earlier. Using scraped content doesn't get your site deindexed in the same way, but the individual pages ARE rapidly dropped as they're indexed, automatically compared and then removed from the SERPs. You have to build up a number of links to each and every page for that not to happen - a load of incoming home page links certainly won't do it.

    The first human review of a 100% scraped site (only if you've got the traffic - if you haven't you're usually safe, but then that makes the whole exercise pointless anyway!) will usually result in being deindexed as they're a specific consideration in the Google Review Guidelines.
     
  20. JimManners

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    First thing I will contribute it to recommend everyone listen to the points made by freller in all his posts.

    Obviously, a person with experience. He knows that the Duplicate Content Penalty is a myth. The only slap I know for sure is posting the same, duplicate content on the same domain. A big no-no, and that happens all to often with scraping.

    That's been my experience too, and it's that reason I stopped auto-blogging with crap content. There are auto-blogs whose sole prupose is link-building... I stopped that too.

    I have a fair amount of auto-blogging experience myself. And this point freller made is one to pay close attention... I agree completely.

    Ask yourself this question... what do you get in the long-term from your hard work and investment. Scraped content is okay in moderation, best mixed in with Genuine PLR content.

    Auto-Blogs that rely solely on scraped content, which is about 99.5% of them is my guess, get indexed just as fast and just as easy... getting indexed is nothing these days... but every blog of mine always has a drop-off period around 2 to 3 months. With genuine PLR content, it comes back shortly. If a site is all scraped content it never came back

    Genuine content blogs continued to climb after drop-off. I setup auto-posting of genuine, focused articles over many months.

    Google can easily calculate the total page difference between each visit. It's not how many pages, so much as... how many pages over time period. And is it steady.

    Having said all that, after years of fussing over search engine rankings, I don't bother to look at anything but my site stats and conversion metrics now. Got tired of following the bounncing ball.

    Ask yourself how close any site of yours meets the standards set out in Google Webmaster Guidelines? if you can hit half of them, you'll do Okay and you can go back to work and not be tracking your pages constantly.

    Using spun, or worse Markov-generated content... well, it never lasts in my experience. Never. I own every spinner that's been on the market. All of them.

    In my experience, it's all down to using genuine themed content in the right way. So, would you rather have

    * 500 autoblogs that make $20 per month. And die out over 6 months

    OR

    * 50 blogs earning $10 a day promoting offers that get clicked on by real Buyers, and they not only last, but get better over time.

    You might do well to read my post on the AutoBlogging Guidelines thread. The basics from what I've learned:

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/blogging/93993-guidelines-successful-autoblogging.html#post925095

    Edited: I should add more about this: "500 autoblogs that make $20 per month"

    That was possible back in 2003, a lot of us did it... building out 100's of thousands of pages. But if I tried to do a fast 500 "content" autoblogs for adsense income today, they would probalby make $2 per month, and drop out in 90 days. I'm talkiing here about real content blogs that are trying to monetize the traffice, not link-building farms. Content blogs keep visitors on the pages long enough to monetize. Content Blogs are hard work even with automation. 500 blogs without using scraped or crappy content just isn't possible in my experience.
     
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