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Banned at Ebay&PayPal -> Will I be able to create a new account?

Discussion in 'Ebay' started by dklimov, Feb 3, 2010.

  1. dklimov

    dklimov Newbie

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    Hi there,

    to my utter disappointment, I got banned from both Ebay and Paypal. I did not even do anything grey hat for once and that's where that got me.
    Now, since this was by far my main income, I obviously want to start another Ebay business. But, as you surely know, Ebay and Paypal do not allow previously banned sellers.

    Is there any way I could start a new business and still be able to legally pay taxes? I reckon that it is not legal to create Ebay/PP accounts by a fake name, or even the name of a relative.
    I am living in Germany, in case that makes a difference.

    Any advice on that topic would be much appreciated.

    Thanks in advance
    dklimov
     
  2. AgentOrange_MkUltra

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    You can work in cooperation with someone who has functioning and legal accounts, create a limited liability company that does not necessarily associate your name to the business or work in ways that are less whitehat (not necessarily against any law)
     
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  3. CMS2009

    CMS2009 BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    nothing illegal about having an ebay + paypal accounts in different names mate
     
  4. dklimov

    dklimov Newbie

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    Well, if I put in a fake name, I'm pretty certain that it is illegal.
    If I put in a friend's or relative's name, he or she will be responsible for everything I do, is that not correct?
     
  5. CMS2009

    CMS2009 BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    fake name is NOT illegal,

    it is against ebay terms and conditions.....so what
     
  6. dklimov

    dklimov Newbie

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    So you are saying that I can easily put in a fake name and adress in Ebay and PP without legal consequences?
    What about my tax bills? Am I not obliged to show my Ebay transactions?

    (I will have to crosscheck everything with the German law, mind you; nevertheless any tips might come out helpful)
     
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    It is not illegal but it is against their TOS, therefore they can ban you again anytime they suspect you are the same person since before, possibly moving to the new accounts the previous negative balance or other sanctions, if any, inflicted to the old user. TO be completely compliant in your case, you should form a partnership or a company that can open an enterprise paypal, which doesn't need to include you esplicitly as member.

    Moreover, while a relative / real person can easily prove their identity when requested (and they will if your transactions are serious), a fake name will make the foreseeable identity checks impossible (unless you opt to undertake some very serious, very inappropriate illegal activity that I absolutely urge you to avoid). It is required to prove your identity above quite modest transactions, and skipping this IS illegal in itself (for paypal).

    Now to make things short and simple if you aren't the technical type (and this applies to whatever you opt to do) in order to avoid you to be easily identified as previously banned user, I advise further to not connect to paypal using the same ISP, computer, or system... use another provider, another machine, possibly in another house.
     
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  8. rakkitoo

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    You will find ALMOST everything you need to know about creating a new ebay/paypal account under a different name here:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/making-money/142412-how-setup-anonymous-untraceable-paypal-account.html
     
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  9. dklimov

    dklimov Newbie

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    Quite a big read there, gotta get up early so I will read it tomorrow. Thanks a lot for the links & tips!
     
  10. velcom7

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    Did eBay give you a reason? Did you have someone else use your computer that was doing some shady stuff on eBay?

    eBay is a pain in the ass, but if you are patient, if you keep asking, sometimes they will tell you what sort of hoops and hurdles you need to jump through to get back on. They NEVER make it easy.

    They are a bad company to deal with.
     
  11. suave

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    I read some one in here had an egay account with their carts name on it I have a coupple of different accounts depending on what i am selling they all link up to the same paypal and email and never had a problem, had them for about two years the only BHW thing that I so is send traffic from twitter, facebook and myspace. hope this helps
    Suave
     
  12. ThatGuySaid

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    A new account is definately sounds like the way. After you start your new account, try not to set off any alarm bells for Egay. Few things I've learnt are:

    Dont try and sell many items too fast/ at the same time, when your account is new
    Dont try and bump up feedback to 50 or 100 in a week
    Listing certain category of items like jewelery/electronics is considered risky by Egay, especially if your new and sell many items.
    Certain formats are riskier than the others. For example shorter duration auctions are considered riskier than BIN's or longer duration auctions.
    Certainly dont sell any fake software, use the same IP, email, pictures or listing software.

    It Sucks! bigtime when you start all over again.But with a little smart work and patience you can definately get through. I did and I hope you can too.

    Hope this helps..,

    Good Luck :)
     
  13. eddiec

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    Sorry to hear about this, so many have been there, including me.

    One of the main things that gets you banned from ebay is making money. Especially if you make it too fast. And sometimes, you don't have to even make money to get banned, they just suck. Don't ever base your whole income on ebay, my advice.

    They figure you must be doing something wrong, so they ban you. No judge, no jury, straight to the executioner.

    Read all the posts in this forum, several members will keep coming up...they have been a great source of info for me.
     
  14. dklimov

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    Actually, it's more PP that's the problem, not Ebay. I started dropshipping about a dozen electronic pieces a day, until, after around two weeks, PP blocked my account and demanded some information and verification that I am indeed who I claim to be. I send them those files within a day, yet they kept "checking" them for three weeks, despite everything being 100% legit.
    Since I am a dropshipper, I could not do any business during that period. In fact, I had to refund a shitload of customers (~160).
    Mind you, this was PP's fault, yet they had the balls to call it "suspicious behaviour" and ban my account. Gotta wait for 180 days to get my 4400? (around $6200, if I'm correct) back.

    That guide that rakkitoo posted seems to be very dependend on the US system. I'll have to read it a few times more to see which parts of it I can use back here in Germany.
     
  15. rakkitoo

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    Here I'll show you my personal method that I have used. (from an old ebook that i can not find with my own twist from the states, im sure you can twist it to make it work for you in Germany)

    YOU CAN NOT SKIP A STEP. (if you do skip a step, you will get your new acct banned very quickly)

    1) Register a business name that looks like a real name in your local city as a limited liability company LLC. (ex. Homem De Negócios (Portuguese for business man)

    2) Find an address you can use for your e bay/ p aypal account. (I use UPS p.o. box service b/c it looks like a real address w/o the P.O. Box. e bay/ p aypal won't let you register with an address that is a p.o. box.) or a family members address that you did not use in your old account. VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!

    3) Get a prepaid phone and use that number to register your e bay/ p aypal , bank. Do not use an address/phone number or any info from your old accounts. VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!

    4) Open up a bank account and register it as a business with your business name with your new address.

    5) Before you even get on e bay. Clear out your flash cookies (this isn't your regular cookies that you can erase from clearing your history.) if you have firefox, download betterprivacy and clear it out all. if you don't, find out how on google. VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!

    6) If you have DSL or cable, find out how to reset your box and get a different IP address. Make sure you have a different IP address than the one you used before. VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!

    7) Register your account as a business on e bay with all your new info. (keep track of all your info in excel to avoid using the same info on another account in the future.)

    8) If you register your e bay/ p aypal account as a LLC, you can get away from sending them a copy of your drivers ID. If they do ask you, just tell them that your an employee and that your company is under more than one ownership. If they need a copy of your bank statement or whatever, just photoshop out your real name and just leave your business name.

    IT IS VERY IMPORTANT to NOT use any of your old info, name, address, phone, anything. Use a different IP address. Register it under a different name. E bay / p aypal keeps track of all of this.

    If you are really lazy and don't want to do all of this, just use a family member address, name, bank account that you did not use with your old e bay/ p aypal account. BUT you will still need to clear out your flash cookies and everything else. AND change your IP address. If e bay/ p aypal somehow finds out that your old account and new account is linked together, they will ban your new account and you won't be able to use any info from the ban account.

    Hit thanks if I helped you out.
     
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  16. Hellfire

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    Here in Norway this is what we call dokumentforfalskning where dokument means document and forkalskning means faking. Documentfaking, and yes, it's illegal.
     
  17. dklimov

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    I'm afraid it's the same in Germany.
     
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    you can user
    your famili identity and profile
     
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    @rakkitoo... It doesn't work that way in Europe.
    If you earn more then ?2500 Paypal will ask for extra proof of identity because of the European law. And you can't open a bank account that easy, you identity will be double checked. It's not that easy over here. (I'm from The Netherlands)

    If it's legal what you've done just call Paypal, I've done that several times and they will help you.
    Otherwise start a business with a partner or find a friend who can help and pay him %
     
  20. dklimov

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    Yeah, I've called several dozen times.



    BTW: If I start a business with a partner; is there any way I can put in his/her name in Ebay and PP and still be legally responsible?

    I had two people going to the police because they did not recieve their article after two weeks, despite me clearly stating multiple times that delivery (from Hong Kong) may take up to four weeks. I even had a chart in the description and everything.
    It was not a big deal to me, of course, since these people were merely retards; yet I would not want my partner to be held responsible for this kind of stuff.
     
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