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Banned after several years - Looking for insight and help

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by indeed97, Jul 14, 2012.

  1. indeed97

    indeed97 Newbie

    May 6, 2009
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    Hi all,

    I've had this site for years and it's been a roller coaster ride ever since. Since 2009 it has been on and off (completely off) page 1 in results. I would say on average 2mth every year, for some ridiculous reason, google takes the site down on random weeks throughout the year. This time, it looks like they permanently removed it because it's been over 2 months straight.

    I've read much about Googles recent updates on Panda/Penguin. Nothing was ever mentioned about over-optimization of links to a single page, for example a homepage.

    I had an old site which ranked #1-5 for certain long tail keywords for years. All of the content and information provided on the homepage corresponds to that exact search term in google. None of my subpages have anything to do with this exact search term.

    My site was dropped from Google 2 months back and has yet to recover, for any of those long tail keywords. I checked up to 100 pages in Google and it's no where to be found. The site still remains on page 1 in Bing and Yahoo...which I don't care about anyway. My homepage is still indexed (+6 sitelinks) in Google and only appears if I search my full homepage url.

    Obviously, a penalty has been applied to my homepage for those long tail keyword searches. I have been working on the site since then to recover, with no luck. I have varied a bunch of inbound links I had control over with random anchor texts like my url, site name, click here, etc to balance my backlink profile a bit. I embedded social media like fb, youtube, twitter, etc into my homepage nicely. My backlink profile was already quite diverse previously, but not to this level where I had "click here, visit here" as my anchors. None of these efforts have worked so far.

    I manually checked the top 20 pages today and I noticed a few of my subpages are ranking on random pages (pages 10-30) in Google for all of those long tail keywords my homepage was once ranked for. This definitely tells me that my homepage is being slapped for something.

    All of my inbound links are pointing to my homepage..as they should be. My subpages are informational pages in the industry and have nothing to do with the longtail keywords which is why I never built any internal links. I have no interest in ranking my subpages, due to the model of my site.

    Is it at all possible, that my homepage is being blocked from ranking due to the fact that 100% of my link profile is linking to it? I doubt this is the case because I see many homepages ranking for highly competitive keywords with links pointing to just the homepage. I don't understand why my homepage was red flagged.

    When did this all happen:

    In Mid April, I was still top ranked top 4. By the end of April, I dropped to #6. On the first two weeks of May, I noticed some weird stuff. It was yanked from Google completely (as it is now) for 3 days, then it was put back up on Page 1 at the same rank. After a day, it was removed again for a few days and put back up for a few days. By the third week of May, it was removed and since then, has never returned.

    Absolutely no duplicate content on the site.

    During the months of March-May, the only offpage seo which I did was a single link exchange with a site in my niche (trulyhuge.com). I'm in the Bodybuilding niche. I figured it was a high quality link exchange so I did it. The site dropped a day after this exchange but I thought maybe it was a coincidence. I did a backlink report with fresh indexable data on my site that same day and it still didn't detect that link from the exchange. It took a week to come up. I removed the link exchange for over a month that same day, to see what would happen and nothing changed, so I did the exchange again. According to majesticseo, it's my second highest quality link in my profile out of 1,500.

    I only have 2 link exchanges on my site and they're both high quality sites. All other links are one ways and they're also very high quality and only related to my niche. All other work on the site was onpage, with content, social media integration, etc.

    My backlink profile was diverse, in a way that the keywords were varied but all related to the long tail keywords I was trying to rank. For eg, bodybuilding workout, bodybuilding workouts, bodybuilding workout program, bodybuilding workout programs, etc. I changed a few of them to "click here, site name, site url, visit here".

    The only small issue (if it is one) with the backlink profile is that 850/1500 links is using the same anchor text from a single site, because it's coming from a blogroll reference of a fitness blog which is linking to me. That fitness blog is the highest quality link I have, therefore I don't want it removed. I can maybe have the anchor text changed on it to my site name or url. I thought Google is now counting just 1 link in these instances...I recently read that, so maybe I wont have to change anything. Other than that one, all other links are diversified evenly right now.

    Over the past couple of years, I have acquired high quality fitness and bodybuilding domains and either 301 redirected them to this site or built websites on them and one way linked them to this site. They are all stationed at different registrars and they're not hosted on the same server as the site it's pointing to. I doubt this has any influence on anything. A few of these domains have the same whois information, could that have raised a red flag?

    Other than that, I'll mentioned this anyway. Some guy registered the same domain name as mine in January, but .org (I own .com). He spammed the hell out of the domain with over 10k links with all of the same keywords which I was targetting. He was #1 within 1 week, for all of the same keywords I ranked for from January to April and then he was taken down by Google. I seem to over-analyze everything but maybe Google thinks I'm the same owner as the .org and decided to take me down with them as well...I don't think Google is that "stupid", but you never know..

    I installed WGT last week and everything checks out fine, no messages in my inbox, etc. Should I send a reconsideration request so someone can check it out?

    What are your thoughts seo pros?

  2. futurestic06

    futurestic06 Supreme Member

    Apr 16, 2011
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    What should I say? Its nothing but your bad luck dude. I know its hard to accept these type of result.
  3. indeed97

    indeed97 Newbie

    May 6, 2009
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    I agree. Do you believe a reconsideration request may help get it back in? It's all I can think of at this point. As per Google, I can submit "If your site isn't appearing in Google search results, or it's performing more poorly than it once did (and you believe that it does not violate our Webmaster Guidelines), you can ask Google to reconsider your site."
  4. LBrown

    LBrown Senior Member

    Mar 22, 2011
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    Internet Marketer - Full Timer
    The Land of the Brave
    If it's a good site do a reconsideration request.

    If nothing else you might get some data about what's going on.
  5. indeed97

    indeed97 Newbie

    May 6, 2009
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    Hey everyone,

    I just wanted to update you all on my actions. I submitted a reconsideration request to Google. Within a week, I received a response:

    You've got to see this response from Google:

    Dear site owner or webmaster of http://www.xyz.com/,
    We received a request from a site owner to reconsider http://www.xyz.com/ for compliance with Google's Webmaster Guidelines.
    We reviewed your site and found no manual actions by the webspam team that might affect your site's ranking in Google. There's no need to file a reconsideration request for your site, because any ranking issues you may be experiencing are not related to a manual action taken by the webspam team.

    This is utter bs, IMO. I know for a fact that my site is penalized in some sort of way. A site doesn't go from rank #3 (for 4 years) to off the charts, literally. Even if you type my complete homepage title or domain name you will not see my site anywhere in the indexes.

    Not sure what to do next...I know there's a penalty and Google is denying it, what the hell.
  6. Blakester

    Blakester Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Mar 17, 2012
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    The only thing i can think off is negative SEO... If thats what caused the problem then... bad luck mate. since you took the step to contact google just do it again and ask them to check if you have any weird backlinks these days.

    i would never contact google but since you did it once then you ve got nothing to lose
  7. BLIXX

    BLIXX Regular Member

    Mar 26, 2012
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    Location, Location.

    When Google says "no manual spam action has been taken" they are indicating what they, themselves, consider to be an actual penalty. Of course, you, me, your cousin Larry - pretty much anyone outside of Googleplex considers algorithmic 'updates', 'actions' (etc) to be a penalty when they A.) negatively affect our properties, B.) have no (obvious) recourse; and C.) are the result of no known fault of our own.

    That your property bombed out as it did in April means Penguin. Penguin means that that particular algorithmic insertion found problems - apparently dramatic ones - with your site's link profile. These problems have to do with one, some or all of the following:

    • The types of links pointing to your site, relative to your competition.
    • The quantity of links pointing to your site, relative to your competition.
    • The quantity and quality of link distribution across the entirety of your domain, relative to your competition.
    • The rate at which your site acquired links (Link Velocity) and the types of links acquired at that rate, relative to your competition.
    • Obvious manipulators of which Google is aware, such as known blog network links.

    There's more, but they all arguably flow from the above.

    Here's an easy way to test whether or not you should dump the site

    1.) Add a page to the site utilizing a keyword phrase that you know you should be able to rank top 50 for without any backlinking.
    2.) Allow it to index naturally.
    3.) It should tick up SERPs every couple of days, slowing over time, for 10 - 25 days. Again, don't touch it: no backlinks at all.

    ***If after 10 - 25 days that page dives off the face of the Earth, you have a domain-wide trust filter applied to your site, in addition to an algorithmic devaluation of your overall link portfolio. = Dump the site.
    ***If after 10 - 25 days the page levels-off its ascent in SERPs and sticks, you've suffered a link portfolio devaluation, but have not had a trust filter applied. = Woot! There is hope. Look into the 'white hat' services here on BHW for recovery.