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Backlinks and Linkjuice Question

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by tygrus, Dec 5, 2009.

  1. tygrus

    tygrus Supreme Member

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    Here is a question for the backlink experts.

    If I back link a single blog page, but that blog page is interlinked with every other blog I have (i.e. blog farm), will I get any linkjuice carrying through to all the other sites?
     
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    You have asked a question about link juice. I must advise you that this does not correlate with ranking.

    You have 100 points of linkjuice going into your blog. Google applies a damping factor of 0.85, so you have 85 points left. These are divided up along all ******** links you have going out to external sites. If there are 17 external links, each one gets 5%. Juice is set to zero when it hits a nofollow link. Internal links cycle the juice internally.

    Because there are usually a lot of external links to different sites on most blogs, juice transfer over a lot of sites is rarely effective unless you have a lot of juice involved at the entry points.

    I advise caution when interlinking your blogs. Do not make your network obvious for Google to detect.
     
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  3. tygrus

    tygrus Supreme Member

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    I keep looking for a shortcut on backlinking and I guess none really exists. I mean, I could have several hundred blogs eventually.

    There is no way I can build a few thousand backlinks to each without some help, either with an xrummer type tool, or just forget about backlinking and hope some traffic comes through organically.
     
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    dannyhw Senior Member

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    There's no real shortcut. Even with xrumer type tools, it's the small percentage of really good backlinks that these things provide that will give your sites the boost you're looking for.

    You could always seek out those golden backlinks manually, but that's a shitload of work. I will say some of the best spammy backlinks I've ever had have been from forums / guestbooks that are overspammed to hell because other spammers have been interlinking them for quite a while along with .edu sites and other things like that.
     
  5. tygrus

    tygrus Supreme Member

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    Maybe the better strategy is to focus solely on getting traffic via articles and article sites and let them worry about ranking and backlinks.

    At least I get paid for performance views on my articles at AC them so they aren't a complete waste of time.
     
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    dannyhw Senior Member

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    Well the thing about article sites is they've already got domain authority. So if you post something on AC or ezinearticles and throw some backlinks at it you can get ranked for a non competitive keyword pretty easily. On a new domain or subdomain it's going to be a lot harder.
     
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    billrolls BANNED BANNED

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    mind telling me good resources where you learned this all...I never knew this
    :p
    still i rank my sites high.
     
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    Excellent reply Micallef! Not too much people knows about this. They just start spaming and spaming.

    PR Formula: (1-0.85)+0.85(pagePR / number_Of_outlinks)
    but maybe google changed this formula now lol Who knows?

    @Micallef: Do you use PR sculpting?
     
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  9. dannyhw

    dannyhw Senior Member

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    I know that the .85 number applies to pagerank, but do you know if it applies to all the different factors (authority, relevance) that make up "the juice" in general? I mean definitively. If not it's still a good thing to go by.
     
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    youngguy Senior Member

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    @dannyhw: relevance is the point to boost your rank. PR is not a ranking factor so don't focus on PR.
     
  11. klawre1221

    klawre1221 Regular Member

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    One thing I have tried and been pretty successful with is doing an article and posting on a major article site and building backlinks to it. The article directory has masssive authority and is therefore much easier to push an article into the top ten.
     
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    Oh I know that. I just know the .85 comes from the original pagerank formula and I'm wondering if it is THE number to assume for authority, etc. From what I've seen it seems reasonable.
     
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    Klawre. you mean building backlinks from the article to your blog or website right?

    How would building backlinks to an article help anyone but the article site?
     
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    Well im not really good at seo but you get it indexed faster atleast and your backlink showing faster. Plus i think if it has more linkjuice for the page you will get more too.

    Someone can probably tell better :)
     
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    If you think about it, the best possible links you can get are those that are on pages already ranking well for your term. Combine the authority of a domain like an article site with a whole lot of otherwise crappy backlinks and that article page will rank. Get a few article pages ranking and point them at your site and you've got some pretty solid links, plus you've got multiple pages at the top of the serps that will drive traffic to the page you're linking to.

    This is all theoretical. I don't know what of the common parasite hosts (for lack of a better term) have nofollow, how much authority they really have, etc. Some searching around should give you an idea.
     
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    Good example of someone doing really well with a page on ezinearticles with his link not ranking at all: google "discount laptops"

    I'm actually loading data on what keywords have sites like ezinearticles, squidoo, etc ranking in the top 10 along with number of results into that big keyword database I posted before. Once I get all that data scraped maybe I can provide some good insightful report and list of really successful articles / their backlinks, etc.