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Backlinking to 301 Domain - Has anyone tried this?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by neo3187, Oct 21, 2011.

  1. neo3187

    neo3187 Senior Member

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    I have come across a site which has like 300-320 backlinks but thrs another domain that redirects to it and it has over 150,000 backlinks. Has anyone else also tried building backlinks to a domain that 301 to your money site?

    I was planning to buy a domain just for blasting away using sb and xr and 301'ing it to my money site.

    Please share your views and experiences.
     
  2. neo3187

    neo3187 Senior Member

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    cmon guys.. no one ??
     
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    In my experience these 301 redirects are usually done by seo firms that are afraid they don't get paid. If it happens they just close the gates.
    I don't think there's any need to use it otherwise. Because when you do you get the link juice but not 100% of it. I don't think 301s work as some "filters" like web 2.0 or socials saving your money site from the troubles.
     
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    hztaa Newbie

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    You get link juice with Google. You don't get link juice with Bing/Yahoo.

    They also help filtering spam links. If you do scrapebox/xrumer to your 301 domain, your links and complaints won't show up for your money domain if searching in Google. It was also the case that you could filter the shitty links using 301 domain and not get a penalty, but I don't think that's the case anymore.
     
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    The company/site could have changed their domain and that's why there are backlinks on a 301.

    But as said above, some SEO companies will backlink a 301 just in case the client doesn't pay or does a chargeback just to try and get free work for their site(s).
     
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    I Haven't try too..
     
  7. neo3187

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    Ya many companies do that but as of now Iam planning to do it for my own site just because I wanna go heavy with XR and SB
     
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    So from reading, I can't tell very clearly if:
    1. Blasting a 301 with Sb and Xrum can possibly hurt money site
    2. Its safe to blast a 301
    3. using 301s are actually worth it (if its not pr etc)
     
  9. todor

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    I was planning on using 301 for "heavy SB and Xrumer backlinking -> Bufer site + 301 -> Money Site" ... if it hurts the money site just remove the 301 and stay safe.

    I'm not sure about the link juice a 301 gives... is it less than if direct linking?
     
  10. neo3187

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    As i mentioned before, I have seen a site doing this and thats what has sparked an idea in my mind. The site belongs to a big SEO company and heres what they are doing

    originaldomainwithkeyword.com ( 300+ backlinks)

    companynamedomain.com ( 301 redirects to the above domain and has over 150,000 backlinks)

    the site receives good amount of traffic from G and ranks for some very comptt keywords

    Why am I hesitating? Cz my site is 2 months old and Iam aiming for a tough term with 673,000 searches(exact) and Iam already on #7 , so I dont wanna do something stupid and ruin my hard work.
     
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    Here is a method to get some one-way backlinks that works pretty well. You need to get a secondary site. Set up something simple and contact other webmasters to trade links (reciprocal links). It can be from a different niche. Put all the links ********, it doesn 't matter.

    After a few reciprocal links (10~30) we need to redirect our secondary site to our main site. We will use a 301 redirect. But we will only redirect search engines, not normal users. This way you can continue with the reciprocal links and the other webmasters will not remove the backlinks.

    Use this code on the top of the PHP file(s) to redirect all the backlinks to your main site (don 't forget to change your link):


    Now you will have one-way backlinks to your main site. Google will redirect the link juice to the main site and will not crawl the backlinks of the other webmasters on the secondary site.

    Some notes:
    - you can use a better script to do that.
    - I believe that the secondary site will have the same pagerank after the redirection (or the actualization of pagerank).
    - It 's easier to trade links on niches like games, porno etc. Keep that in mind, your goal is to trade many links.
    - you can redirect before the first backlinks, but I think this works better this way
     
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    This seems to work so far but it'd make for an interesting case study.

    Personally I would first blast an old domain with a lot of backlinks, and allow it a couple of weeks to settle down once I am finished with all my backlinking. Then 301 redirect it to your money site.
     
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    I guess you 4got to write the code .
     
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    Does any seasoned SEO have any real life experience in this? I have seen people use 301s to try to escape panda penalty (which only works until the next release if you don't change what pissed panda off in the first place), but I have not seen any conclusive case study on 301ing out of link penalty, or trying to avoid link penalty.

    In theory it should work to remove the 301 from site A to B, and ping the spider to recrawl A, and thus remove the 301 to B and thus all the passing good (or bad) link juice.

    The 301 might even act as a "filter" to somewhat protect site B from bad link juice or bad linking signals. But not much of a filter as this is easy to game and thus easy to stop - and not a very natural internet practice - not many people 301 a site, only companies when they change domain names, and then the link juice (good or bad in google's eyes) likely should pass along. So I doubt this would provide much ongoing all the time protection.

    But again, we need data - someone who is willing to run this experiment or who already has. Anyone seasoned SEO expert ever tried this?
     
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    I have very recent real world experience with this scenario.

    I run a professional project management consulting firm. I've had the site up for a few years, and actually found BHW while researching how to make it rank higher.

    Fast forward a few years, I wanted to redesign the entire site, because it was just too plain and wasn't capturing leads as well as I would have liked it to.

    So I bought a new domain, and redesigned it. Then I 301'd the old domain to the new one. It only took about a week before the new domain was in the same spot as the old one.

    So I blasted a few links to the original domain. Bam, now I've been #1 for my term for the last week or so. I wub 301's.
     
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  17. neo3187

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    Thats what I wanted to hear :D ... now my only doubt remains, would it be sane to buy a new domain just for the purpose of blasting and redirecting to old domain
     
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    I remember someone talking about this and saying another good tip is to put a message saying this website is no longer working or something so people won't complain about the spam.
     
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    It's a good way for customers who you don't trust they, if they don't pay you just remove the 301 and they listen to you after x)
     
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    Set up a bunch of articles, web 2.0's, squidoo lenses, etc. and blast the hell out of them with scrapebox and xrumer. This will push link juice and you'll avoid a penalty.