I debated whether to do this or not. I really didn?t want to but when by BabyBoy08 crossed the line then there wasn?t much choice in the matter. You know it's always interesting what you'll come across here and who is on this list. You have the BHW newbies like myself and the more experienced veterans who are always willing to help. There's plenty of good honest discussion about various money making ideas and for the most part people try to help each other out. I saw a post by BabyBoy08 on how to make money with Freebie sites. (This isn't about Freebie sites since I didn't have a problem with them just BabyBoy08) Code: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/making-money/42237-making-100-daily-freebie-sites-3.html From the time that I completed an offer for Dustin (BabyBoy08) he started insinuating that I was scamming him. He was supposed to pay me as soon as I went "green" back on 12/21 but seven days later I still haven't been paid. I reported the non-payment to FLR where he does his trading. They agreed with me that Dustin was wrong. Although two moderators kept telling him that he was wrong he refused to concede the possibility. Although two moderators told him that he couldn?t place stipulations after an offer was completed and that stipulations had to be agreed in the TRADE itself. Even though he was told that I hadn?t scammed him and he was the one who was scamming. Dustin turned a deaf ear to them. Dustin told them they were wrong. He was told repeatedly by the moderators to pay me but he refused. He was threatened by the moderators with being banned from doing any more trading and still he refused. Instead he posted private information and emails on the blog to "prove" he was right. (Which is why I refused to share my paypal email to begin with so it wouldn't be exposed) The moderators told him that none of the info he was giving made a difference but he continued to post the information. Throughout the ordeal he called me the scammer as well as other names. One of the moderators finally asked him how I could be the scammer when he was the one who got paid and I didn't? That he was the one who refused to do his part after I did my part. But Dustin wasn't listening he just knew he was right. Dustin had a fantasy that he was some kind of super hero who was out to protect other Freebie Traders, FLR, the Freebie Industry and the world from me. His special super powers gave him insights that mere mortal man could not fathom. Although two moderators with more experience than him and others told him he was wrong he still refused to entertain the possibility. You can read the posts at: Code: http://www.freelunchroom.com/board/lunch-theft/247693-did-imallboutmymoney08-steal-my-lunch-money-3.html Anyway, just a warning to anyone considering doing business with him. You can see by his own thread here on BHW and by the above mentioned blog what his attitude is like and decide whether or not he's someone you want to work with. Code: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/making-money/42237-making-100-daily-freebie-sites-3.html By itself I wouldn?t have posted this on the SH*IT LIST. However, Dustin crossed the line when in his temper tantrum to prove himself right he posted private information and an email address that he knew that I wanted to protect from spam. Dustin talks a lot about respect and goes into a rant if anyone disrespects him but he?s not one to give respect back. He?s not mature enough to realize and understand that if someone doesn?t want to give an email for any reason that it is their choice and not his. People have their reasons for doing things and it?s not his to question why. Dustin crossed the line. It doesn?t matter that this information could have been found out with enough digging. (It was easy enough for me to discover he's still a stock boy at WalMart although he claims differently as well as a lot of other private info he wouldn't want anyone to know -- btw I do commend him for trying to crawl out of that hell hole) The point is that he was specifically told that the email was private and was not to be given out because I didn't want spam. But like a child he decided he would do what he wanted without a care of what other people wanted. If you have an email address which you want to keep from being spammed then you know what I am talking about. Unfortunately, Dustin is not someone who will respect your wishes. So be careful when giving any information to him. He had posted this private email and information on the other site and I had asked the moderator over there to remove the emails from the postings to protect the email, which she did. However, Dustin came over to this site and posted the email. This is what he posted on BHW when he discovered that the moderator at FLR had deleted the info: ?Bottom line, unless you verify the "[email protected]" then I will NOT pay you to "[email protected]" << yeah I put it out there again. If somebody wanted your email bad enough, they would have BEEN had it. Stop crying over a damn email!? Because of this and him sending a barrage of hate mail to the email addresses calling me names, I?ve had to discontinue the emails of all three and take the time to notify memberships I belong to and other places that send emails to these accounts to new email addresses. Wasting a lot of time. Just because Dustin can?t understand the concept of privacy nor respect someone else?s right to same privacy. This is something that you should consider when working with Dustin. Do you want someone who won?t respect your privacy and will post your emails on the Internet? Who lacks the maturity to do business or will hold up their end of the bargain? Dustin was given every opportunity to correct the situation. Everyone concerned bent over backwards trying to help him to understand but he refused to listen to anyone. Instead, he wanted to protect all Mankind from the threat he fantasized I was. Anyway I'm writing this one off. Dustin doesn't want to share the $40 he made off of me. I think I lost $45 on the deal: 1) My part for completing offer: $20 2) His Guarantee (with out stipulations) that I would earn $100 in 30 days: $20 3) Cost of completing offers: $5 I'm not saying not to do business with Dustin. Just wanted to let you know what you can expect if you do. If you see Dustin online, you might PM and thank him from protecting all Mankind from me. That you appreciate his heroic efforts. NOTE: There is something in the above mentioned FLR blog that had me LMAO and that is when he told the moderators that, "If you knew where I had found him you would know why I was suspicious". Meaning of course BHW which is where he also came from.
Are you serious, just like a big baby, crying over a damn email address. Suck it up man, its only a email address. You acted like the freebie sites were going to spam you. You truly are pitiful, no wonder the moderators at FLR kissed your ass like they did! Once again, stop crying over a email address. I have NOT seen one person on BHW cry over a damn email address like you have. And you obviously wanted to hide something if you didn't want it out there. Then you throw a fit and start whining about "he put my email address up that I was trying to keep spam out of." Really... your a damn crybaby, man up and act grown instead of like a 3 year old. Ha ha, right, I'm a stockboy at Wal-Mart, just like I'm sure you probably had a "regular" job somewhere in your life. Maybe a big ass cry baby or something, who knows. Just know I haven't been with Wal-Mart in almost two years and guess what, like I said, everyone has normal jobs. So everyone who reads this, Grafx (or Leonard should I say) is insulting not just me, but all of you as well for having a normal job at one time in your life. So I guess we're all on his "Sh*t List"! I respect wishes, not an issue, its you who cries over a damn email address and decided to take it public by insulting me. So I gave the full story and hid nothing. I should buy you a box of damn tissues all these tears your putting out. Trust me pal, this is the internet, like I said, if someone wanted to, they could have your email address so what's the difference of me putting it out there or someone else. After all you were "going to change and alter it as you see fit" anyway, right? BULLSHIT! I never sent a single email to either of those email accounts. There's one lie you told to FLR and I bet they'll never see it. Why don't you forward these "hate messages" to anyone who asks. Because it NEVER HAPPENED. Better yet, tell me the date and time I sent these messages and I'll put up a screenshot of my Outlook Express for that timeframe! Trust me, this guy is nothing but lying garbage. Your the ONLY INDIVIDUAL who has not been happy and had to bad mouth me around here. Don Cashola, Money2spare, at least I have respect for them. For liers like you, I have 0 RESPECT for right now! I never refused to pay you, once again, ANOTHER lie you decided to tell everyone on FLR. I only put that guarantee to those who SERIOUSLY WORK WITH ME! Your unfortunately a crybaby and NOT one. $5 - come on, you can't be serious. NO COMMENT is all Imma say. Think hard buddy, I wasn't referring to BHW, check your notes and the chat, you'll realize why I said that "I have a reason to be suspicious."
Checking it out. I really dont care, about this thread, but I do got to get in on the action. I with the first poster. I have spam emails (where I use for everything on the net). Then I have friend and family email. The email part did not make sense to me. You should not given him your email maybe. The private info is just plain wrong man. Maybe I am little slow. Second, if you work at wal-mart that is cool. no shame. It pays the bills. I just gotta ask this. Can I get a discount on a computer or something.
^^ The private information was the result of a WHOIS search. He was claiming to not have owned the "MsWeCare" site so I compared the WHOIS result from that to the "spam" email he provided me. Its public information and it was public in the first place so I don't see why he's complaining. Hey, next time, buy a subscription to a service that makes that info "private" instead of leaving it public. Also, he was crying over a damn email. 'Em, first off, the only people who could view it was those who were REGISTERED on FLR, NOT open to the public! Therefore since they are strict on spammers, scammers and so forth over there, I can't see where its hurting anything to put the email address up there. So suck it up grafx, damn! mikey: I used to work there but don't work there no more because of their bullshit ethics they practice at "Wally World." I quit about 2 years ago (old news that he keeps bringing up.) If I were still there, I'd hook that discount up. :tongue: Unfortunately I'm not... LOL
To everybody and the first poster. Word of advice. Make your domain private. I used to work at seo company and we used to call the people that had a public domain. Spend the extra money, unless you just going to get rid of it. Besides why would you want to tell the whole world, where you live. You may piss somebody off they may come to chop you up and put you in a body bag.
It sounds like to me the first poster was more concern about the email, instead of getting paid. At least that what he talks most about. He only talks about not getting paid a tiny percent. If I got scammed, the money part would dominate the most of it.
BabyBoy08: Thanks for proving my point. Much appreciated. Mikey: Good advice and under normal circumstance yes. However, legally I'm confined by what is known as the "Sunshine Laws" and everything must be transparent.
I don't know but this is the 2nd thread that this arguement has spilled over into. I'm sure both have some blame in this whole thing and is it really worth all this for a couple bucks? I said it earlier in another post that I can' believe how much bitching there has been around here lately...very tiring.
Mikey: What Dustin doesn't tell you is that he was told repeatedly and confirmed himself that the aspam WAS confirmed. I told him that all of the emails were confirmed. It's in the blog posting. He choose to ignore this. He could have sent it to the aspam at any time. This is what has everyone scratching their heads. Also the donate3 was confirmed and he could have sent it there since he was so afraid of being scammed. It was a mystery by all where he was getting the idea of scamming. What does he care which email receives the money? He got his. Either case they were both verified. I know the FLR blog posting is long but the fact is that he was told that it was a confirmed paypal. But he still refused. The site of the offer told him that the offer (peole who paid him) was good and he still refused. They also told him that I used a verified paypal account and he refused. Everyone has been telling him but he's simply not paying any attention. He's lost in his fantasy to save the world. Anyway, it's up to you whether you want to do business with him or not. I'm simply reporting what happened. As I said, I've already conceded that I'm not going to get paid but I posted this because Dustin placed the emails he knew he shouldn't have. I'll allow everyone to have their own opinion. I only lost $25 dollars on the deal. Of course, you may think I'm wrong and not want to do business with me. That's ok, too.
Best damn advice I've seen in this thread! Thank you... Right, and dude has a verified PayPal account and all I did was asked him to add a specific email that he signed up to the freebie site with to that PayPal account, but he is STILL complaining over the email thing. If you ask me, he doesn't care about getting paid, only complaining over a simple email. I don't get it! I don't get it neither, just a waste of space if you ask me. "aspam" was NOT verified! If it WAS verified, none of this B.S. would be going on. If aspam was verified, I would have had no reason to NOT send it and it would have been sent. You were told numerous times "hey, add it to the PayPal and I'll send you the money to the donate3 email address" yet you bitched (and still are) over a email address. **Sighs** Your steady repeating yourself so let me repeat myself. IF... IT... WAS... VERIFIED... THEN... NONE... OF... THIS... BULLSHIT... WOULD... HAVE... BEEN... HERE!!! It was NOT verified and I proved that to FLR! Really man, you need to be slapped and go back to your dayjob. Internet marketing is NOT for you apparently! LOL, oh my God, I can't believe how fucking bad you lie. Yeah, just like you swore up and down I said I paid within' 15 minutes when in reality it said "AS LITTLE AS 15 MINUTES!" You so hardheaded, you can't pay attention. Internet marketing is NOT for you, face it and give it up. I've not had a single problem with nobody BUT you so really, people, you make the judgment call. He's continuing to cry over a email address. I'm done with this, Grafx is a waste of time.
did you set this up in the itrader? all these rules? from what i gather it seems as though grafxextreme joined the freebie site with one email although he is a paypal verified member he uses diffrent emails. I dont see a problem here. Hes green hes verified he should be paid.
I think this is what the mods at FLR were trying to tell him. If he had all of these stipulations then he should have set it up prior to the trade but he didn't. He didn't mention any of this until after the trade was completed. On the freebie site I joined there were two places for emails one for registering and one for being paid. As the site owner of the freebie offer told Dustin I completed this correctly and there is no problem with either the emails or the trade itself. The emails and trade are both good and are still good. Everyone is kind of scratching their head as to what his problem is. He got his but doesn't want to pay me for mine. The trade still stands of today. But he's made up all of this nonsense afterwards. There's also no stipulations on his "guarantee". Nothing about having to be serious about freebies. And, he has no proof that I wasn't. I completed the offer, the trade is still good and we're all waiting for Dustin but he's chosen to get banned rather than pay. Everybody is wondering why if he has all of this experience he claims he has why he didn't know to include all of his rules and stipulations into the trade itself. Anyway, I'm no longer worried about the money. Actually wasn't worried about it to begin with. Just didn't like to be scammed and this posting in this thread is more about him taking the emails he knew were to be private and posted them anyways. And as a warning as to what you can expect when doing business with him. As he's demonstrated here and on FLR he doesn't have any respect for privacy.
You were told in the YIM IM! Unfortunately, your too stupid to hear me say it although I've said it more then a hundred times. The site owner just told me Saturday evening that it was okay, and when I went to pay you, low and behold, your email is *gasps* UNVERIFIED! Go figure... And for the records, your lies continued by saying the freebie site owner knew and said you were right. When I spoke with him Saturday evening, he said one of the support members responded, HE (the site owner) had no knowledge of the situation. And you continue to bitch and cry, bitch and cry after NUMEROUS attempts to try and resolve the issue, you still complain and complain and complain. Making senseless posts like this instead of trying to resolve the issue. Yeah, I'm making nonsense, whatever. LOL, read the blog ya dick! I posted it up on FLR waaayyy before you even came along! Once again, someone with the IQ of 1! If you would read, you would have known that. And yup, I rather be banned then hang around FLR and kiss the moderators ass who are (and pardon me for saying this) literally kissing YOUR ass because of your lies. Sorry, not me! It was in the YIM IM we were having. Wait, your too illiterate to read so you may have missed it (although you'll probably lie and say "I never got it.") Damn dude, you need to get your GED or something. Yup, and many people still work with me. You seem to be the only one bitching and still whining over the situation instead of wanting to resolve it. Continue to cry, God knows you will, you've done said "I'm done with this" a thousand times yet still come back. This post really is becoming a "poor opinion." Stick to your day job pal on the block, that's the best your probably good at right now. I said it once and will say it again, internet marketing is NOT for you! And so the crying will probably continue but whatever, he doesn't want to work to resolve the issue then I'm not going to force it any longer...
^^ Yup, and what makes it worse? Grown men who cry too much! You truly are a class act... no really. And I'm glad FLR (or EXPENSIVELunchRoom) banned me. $50 verifyMe, $25 Stickies, $50.00 Daily Advertising, $20+ Donations. Need I say more, I'm better off saving my money from those fees and getting referrals other ways instead of paying them for nothing!
Pretty bad temper tantrum. Got banned and everything, all over an email and 45 bucks. Dude should of paid up. baby, not cool dude. don't bite the hand that feeds you. Gra im on your side =^..^=
^^ LOL, not a temper tantrum, just a pissed off attitude for all the lies this guy has been telling and people like you falling for it without listening to all the details. Everybody is all "well he should have paid him this" and "should have paid him that." Bottom line, he bitched more over an email then actually stopping and thinking "Oh, f*** that email, I'll just dump it but in the meantime, I should focus on him actually paying me." Someone above even said themselves how he dumb for crying over a email. I tried to help him get it resolved, yet he still cries about the email like he was married to it or something. And for the record, he "assumes" I was referring to BHW, in reality I wasn't, and you haven't read the YIM IM that we had, so you don't know what it is I am referring to. BTW, I've still yet to see these "threatening" messages he apparently says I sent his email. 'Nor has he even stated a date and time I sent these. More lies for the fire, you truly are pathetic. In either case, ya'll have your own opinion but bottom line: He would NOT work to resolve the issue. He just cried over a goddamn email address. Think what you'd like but he had chances so don't pity him now
Other then the email.... babyboy just post WHY you wont hold your end of the deal him. Ignore what he's saying or the fact that you think he is crying or whatever. Just tell him why you wont hold your end of the bargin. Then the end.
^^ It was simple. I told him in the YIM IM that we were having that I paid only to PayPal Verified addresses so to sign up to the freebie site with a PayPal Verified address and he acknowledged this and said "OK". He decides to NOT use a PayPal Verified email address, however, he has a PayPal Verified account so I simply asked him to add the email he signed up with to his PayPal Verified account. He then blocks me on YIM. 6 days later, he's complaining I refuse to pay him! Bottom line, all he had to do was add the email address to the PayPal Verified account. Although he has a PayPal Verified account, the email he SIGNED UP with was NOT PayPal Verified (which I had told him BEFORE the trade so he should've knew about it.) Then it seems FLR wanted to get all uppity up and say "if it wasn't in the trade terms then its not enforceable" yet they said even if it was, my rule wasn't enforceable like their the freebie God's or something. Last time I checked, the freebie industry did NOT have a board of directors telling you what you can and cannot do in a trade. Bottom line, I've offered to pay him, yet he still continues to babble about his email address this and that saying that he'll get spam. BREAKING NEWS: This is the internet, somebody was going to find the email either way and last time I checked, FLR didn't tolerate SPAM so why be uptight about it all. Its a email for crying out loud and don't almost 85%+ of the email clients have SPAM filters. He was given numerous times to work to resolve it (which he failed to do), he claims I sent a bunch of emails to him attacking him (which I have yet to see), he claims I refuse to pay him (which I have not seen the words "I'm not paying you" come out my mouth, more like "I'll pay you as soon as you add the email address to the PayPal Verified account." Does anyone catch the pattern of lies here. Bottom line, I'm not screwing anyone over here. He was given numerous chances yet failed to meet any of them. Instead, he'd rather cry over an email. IDK, I'm done with this topic though because he loves giving people a negative look, however its not working. AND BTW, get my name right next time... 06 NOT 08 grafx. Unsubscribed!
ya i agree with pyronaut. you complain about him whining over an email, yet youre whining over him whining over it. you BOTH cant get over it. what is there to work out? just pay the damn man. sheesh not to mention you were banned for the incident , i dont think allll the mods were wrong....
