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Ayurveda, Deepak Chopra, doshas, etc, really good for health ?

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  1. M4DM4X

    M4DM4X Regular Member

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    Hi,

    I recently discovered ayurvedic medecine, and it seems to really make sense to me.

    All those things about doshas, eating, sesame oil massages, meditation, talks to me.

    Are there people here who believe in ayurvedic science? Do you think it's good?
    Some people who are against ayurveda say that indian people are not in a so good health... So I don't know...

    And I think it's very hard to follow all the principles when you have a "normal" life, like doing a whole body massage and then taking a bath every morning. Or eating all the 7 tastes at every meal, drinking only hot water, waking up every morning at 6am and going to bed before 10pm, etc..etc.

    Thanks for your thoughts
     
  2. Capo Dei Capi

    Capo Dei Capi BANNED BANNED

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    Deepak Chopra is a fraud and a con artist.


    http://skepdic.com/chopra.html
     
  3. M4DM4X

    M4DM4X Regular Member

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    lol ok let's forget Deepak Chopra then.
    So it doesn't mean ayurveda is a fraud as well isn't it???
     
  4. WebLab

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    Ayruveda isn't alternate medicine but surely it can keep you healthy. Most people in india use Ayurveda as household remedy. But I think you just want to follow Ayurveda as a lifestyle.
    Nobody follows it completely even in india. You can start with whatever suits you.

    Indian people's health has nothing to do with Ayurveda, because Ayurveda isn't a food (you know what I mean).

    And FYI, you can't put chopra with Ayurveda, mediation or yoga. Most people in india even don't know who is he.
     
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    virtualryder Registered Member

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    Ayurveda isn't fraud...
    if you really want some real Ayurvedic treatment then you gotta join AOL =ART OF LIVING (google it)
    They provide proper solutions...recently they opened hospital at iran too...
    My brother was suffering serious back pain AOL treated him...now he is all good :)
     
  6. Capo Dei Capi

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    Just because most people use it doesn't mean it actually works. Every major medical research points to it being just junk pseudoscience. In fact several of the practices are dangerous.


    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1108395
     
  7. WebLab

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    I would say, this is not Ayurveda.
     
  8. M4DM4X

    M4DM4X Regular Member

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    Indian people actually eat like the american, junk food, without nutrients, full of toxic chemical products... So I think that's why they are not in a so good health. Maybe if they follow some ayurveda principles they could be healthier.
    Amercian diet is the worse in the world.
     
  9. WebLab

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    Indian people like spicy food, mostly sold at roadside. This street food is very unhealthy, but most are illiterate to understand or can't fight the temptation.
    And still poverty at large, forget good health, even if they get food 2 times a day, its a boon.
     
  10. M4DM4X

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    Yeah that's a pity they don't know how to eat well.
    Also, ayurveda advice meditation, relaxation, in order to be calm and happier, but everytime I see a report about India on the news on tv I see people driving any old how in all directions, fighting with each other for nothing, makes me thing of an urban jungle... Where is calm and relaxation???
     
  11. BreaknBrix

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    What is wrong with people?

    Ayruveda advocates using LEAD AND ARSENIC as "medicine". Be VERY careful talking about other people and what you assume they know about health when you're considering a tradition that advises taking poison to cure problems.

    I don't care what other redeeming qualities this shitty tradition has. If you give people lead and arsenic as medicine or follow any tradition that does... you're not a very intelligent person. If you want "calm & relaxation" get up and go for a run. Go play a sport. Or sit in a quiet area and meditate.

    If you want health it's not rocket science. Eat LOTS of vegetables, a bit less fruit, and soft proteins from fish, beans, tofu, eggs, etc. Exercise and stay hydrated.

    For me, working out and going for a run is all the "calm" I need. Just doing that once a day chills me out till I go to sleep. Along with eating my veggies. You don't need any special diets. You don't need to follow any frauds or ancient, outdated traditions. All you need to do is use your brain and a bit of common sense.

    -BB
     
  12. gutterleech

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    The problem wiht ayurveda is that there is no way to tell if the medecine they make work or not, as they dont go through testing and trials. I live in India, here anyone can say that he is an ayurvedic doctor. Most of the times its just woo woo. At times it might work becuase fo placebo effect. So, its my advice to you to not to go for any medecine which hasnt gone through trials. If you want to take an ayurvedic medecine, try to find out if it has gone trhgou proper testing or not.

    Further, there are ayurvedic cheats who claim to treat, diabetes, cancer and AIDS. They harm the guillible and desperate people who instead of going for properly tested medecines go trough scam ayurvedi mecs and lose their health, money and sometimes life.

    So, be careful.
     
  13. M4DM4X

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    BreaknBrix, I know you're true about the diet, I'm following the paleo diet since a few months (it is quite like what you describe) and my health has improved.

    I didnt know ayurveda advice to take arsenic and lead to cure...

    Anyway ayurveda seems to have a great herbal formula which is called amrit kalash, that fights cancer and many other diseases. Studies are conducted right now to evaluate this on mice.
     
  14. godspeed007

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    Ayurveda has been a part of India since ancient age.

    Bdw who is Deepak Chopra!!!???
     
  15. Neocortx

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    Hey,

    99% of health info on the net is complete nonsense. Almost everyone follows the errenous approach of evidence based medicine.

    Little wakeup call: Alternative Medicine is not called Medicine for a reason... it doesn't work.

    When it comes to actual health advice, I'd recommend sciencebasedmedicine.org or theness.com/neurologicablog/.

    Also, I recommend watching Steve Novellas explanation on why EBM is nonsense:


    Don't believe the hype bullshit.

    Eat conventional food (GMOs are perfectly fine), don't waste any money on organic.

    Also, follow a balanced diet.

    Here's an excerpt a PhD wrote for me (for my site, but not uploaded yet):

    I hope that helps.

    Stay healthy, and don't trust anyone trying to sell you something! Btw., Paleo has no scientific evidence, so I would advice against it (I was a follower of it too, before I started working with actual professionals).

    warm regards,
    neocortx
     
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  16. WebLab

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    1.2 billion people is no small figure. LOL !
    And you believe TV ???
    After watching so many american TV shows, the impression I have about USA is people out there conspire about each other and there's no one you can trust. :D
     
  17. rpkrocks

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    I never heard/saw such thing ,may be a saying in your country,IDN.

    Ayurveda as a medicine does not advocate using LEAD or Any POISON although ayurveda depends mostly on age old research it does not have any qualitative info about how to MAKE new medicines .

    There are various people selling horseshit as ayurveda , I mostly use its tasty chutnees for any stomach related problem.

    It has no instant cure but all cure is based on nature and basic idea is to prevent things rather than curing them thats why its called 'AYU(Age)veda(knowledge)'.

    It's a age old medicine has many faults but good if you like eating tasty medicines without any side effects .

    Add Yoga with it and you can cure many diseases :|

    Info-My sister is an ayurvedic doctor :|
     
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    Yes i use ayurveda but the lifestyle is not a part of it , these are called 8 fold paths of patanjali(just like the buddha) .

    Indian people didnt do even yoga till baba ramdev made it popular ,so dont go by them,poverty is high(although reducing) here .

    Ayurveda is nature oriented medicine and does NOT provide quick relief,although it doesnt have side effects .

    For example

    drinking milk mixed with Turmeric helps in curing internal cuts/wounds .
    Black salt helps in digestion.

    Here are more remedies

    http://www.ayurvedatreatments.co.in/ayurvedatreatments/index.php

    always use patanjali (baba ramdev) products if you wish to test any

    https://patanjaliayurved.net/
     
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  19. M4DM4X

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    Hi mate, sorry I stopped reading your message at this sentence... GMOs are toxic, and organic food are way less harmful than conventional ones. Do you ever know how many different chemicals are sprayed on a simple apple? Well, better not know it or you won't eat apples anymore (idem for all the other fruits and vegetables)...

    Anyway that's not the subject of this thread.

    In fact I started doubting about ayurveda when I read they advice to drink milk a lot (which we know is toxic for human body), also cereals/grains (which are toxic too), sugar to balance vata (no need to say it's very toxic).. That kind of stuff.

    I will only follow their advice avout meditation and all the good oil massages they advocate, which seem very good for health.
     
  20. Capo Dei Capi

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    GMO's are not toxic, every reliable study that was done on them showed they are 100% safe.