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Avoiding ebay final value fees? (Ask buyers to pay outside of ebay)

Discussion in 'Ebay' started by iExchange, Aug 17, 2013.

  1. iExchange

    iExchange Newbie

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    Hello everyone,

    Recently I found a niche and started selling on ebay. However I found that their final value fees are way too high, and it would be great if I do not have to be charged for that.

    So I thought I could do something to have the buyer messaging me to talk about the payment details first when they decided to buy, and NOT to click the buy it now button? What should I say in the description to avoid getting attention from ebay staff/bot or users from catching me doing this or reporting me?

    Basically I would give them my paypal email when they message me on ebay, and ask them to pay for the item's amount there directly. (Perhaps I could give them a $1 discount for doing this?)

    Any ideas are welcomed and greatly appreciated! :)
     
  2. Duffers5000

    Duffers5000 Elite Member

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    No wont work. It looks shady and most buyers will be wary.

    It only takes one to report you and your account is toast. Ebay also has access to your messages and will catch you if you are doing it on a regular basis.
     
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  3. iExchange

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    Thanks for the information, sir!
    Well then I guess I should open up an online store myself, and use paypal checkout buttons from there. Tech and SEO stuff is not a problem for me.
    But how can I gain trust from my buyers? This has left me scratching my head.
     
  4. syntaxed

    syntaxed Junior Member

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    you gotta write something tempting in the description for the buyers to contact you beforehand, then. I can't help with that though. Moreover, email message system disallow users to write email address directly like yourname@yourdomain.com. you gotta get around to get your email address through the message

    In addition, some customers also prefer NOT TO buy out of ebay so that they will gain more security with that they're buying. They might not even care to pay a bit more, as long as the transaction is done via ebay
     
  5. crackarama

    crackarama Regular Member

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    i did this when i was selling nintendo ds game cards and agree with what most people are saying.people just want security with there money
     
  6. iExchange

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    Thanks very much for sharing your past experience and views with me! :D

    From what I understand, the fact is that the buyers can enjoy the "buyer is always right + moneyback protection" when they checkout on ebay with paypal. So what about setting up a site, embedding a paypal pay button on the website for transaction? What kind of protection does the buyer get?
     
  7. syntaxed

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    That is setting up an e-commerce site. It will be the protection from paypal. Nothing more, I guess. Still, they always have the option to open a dispute from there.

    I'm on my way to setting up my own site. It's just that I'm a total noob when it comes to SEO, to rank the site that the progression is too slow.

    All the advanced ebayers have their very own e-commerce site. I think, you might be surprise that there are also more people out there willing to buy from other sites than ebay. Most people google what they want anyway. That's the best method to reach them, I suppose
     
  8. dexXx01

    dexXx01 Newbie

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    Having your own e-commerce site is a great thing (all profits goes to you) but it's a lot harder to get buyers than on ebay.
     
  9. noseo

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    If I were you, I might use eBay selling as a cheap source of building up an e-mail list. Use that e-mail list to send offers to go to your online store and/or to related affiliate products.

    Most successful real world businesses make their real money from repeat business... they all try to get repeat business if they can because the cost to acquire a new customer (e.g., an eBay ad) is higher than the cost of getting a repeat customer (e.g., an e-mail blast).
     
  10. EbayUltimate

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    Yeah it will lead to a straight banned, but what you may do is when shipping out your package. You also include a little slip of paper tell your customer about your website, so if they like the product and want to purchase again they can buy straight from you. Hope this helps
     
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  11. syntaxed

    syntaxed Junior Member

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    why will they ban you if we use their emails for building the list?
     
  12. DCOM!

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    It actually does work. I'm doing that myself. Just make sure you lower a price a little bit to make buyers actually contact you. ie. if you're selling an item for 99$, let them know in the description or/and name of the listing that the price will be 94$ if done directly through paypal. when buyers contact you, tell them that ebay fees are redonkulous and you ending up losing a lot of money because of fees. 99% of buyers agree to pay directly through paypal. it's win/win situation.

    You won't get caught for that because ebay don't track things like that. The only way they'll find out is if too many people will report you, but would they? you're not really hurting anybody, just the opposite.
     
  13. syntaxed

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    unless, if there is a competitor watching.
     
  14. slade666

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    they have ways of finding out and I have heard of accounts being banned ,they may look at your emails or something
     
  15. zebrahat

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    You may have to create a lot of stealth eBay accounts to operate a straight to Paypal payment funnel to minimize the sting of eBay banning a given account. You should also be really good with buyers to minimize the instances of them reporting you.
     
  16. slade666

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    some do report you, don't offer it let them offer to you only say cash on pickup
     
  17. DiamonMike

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    The way i do it is type my payapal e-mail missing a letter or two do the payment won't go trough.Then i message the winner and ask for hes e-mail and i send him invoice.Is still covered!
     
  18. NiuTech

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    Do not do this, I know ebay fees are high but you will get screwed in the long run. Do not think for a minute eBay is not monitoring your messages. They don't need people reading them, all they need are bots watching out for keywords and sentences. ( I have personally designed a few ones for other sites for PM monitoring). From my experience, its not the same at all but the results are similar (sending them a PayPal address to pay). I changed PayPal emails one day, only to realized that over 200 sales had the old PayPal address, unfortunately the old PayPal address was done on Hotmail and if you dont check your hotmail, it gets deleted. So you can image what kind of trouble I was in. I checked my eBay one day and saw a lot of people were starting payments but were not going through. I emailed everyone stating what had happened and thought it would be smart to attach a photo with the PayPal address. Well, I got reported and I had to do a lot of explaning to eBay but once they understood the issue with PayPal, they lifted my limits and allowed me to continue selling.



    You need to be careful doing this and I advice you NOT to. What you can do is, create a website and advertise your website on your eBay listings. This way, all you got pay are server fees and PayPal fees. (2.9%+0.30 cents)
     
  19. Fofo X

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    Be careful, eBay has a fairly sophisticated system to analyze messages, they will ban you if they detect an attempt to bypass their $$$. You only get an actual customer email AFTER the sale. One safe way to kind of bypass this would be to sell on eBay & Amazon and include a message after the sale about your website and similar products, accessories, upsells, etc.
     
  20. FBseo

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    it will just confuse your buyers if you do that