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automation threatning future likestyle of humans?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by nakaam30, Dec 20, 2014.

  1. nakaam30

    nakaam30 Regular Member

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    i've seen this video and the amount of info about how it's gonna be for humans is pretty realistic

     
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    "The work of ameliorating the conditions of life - the true civilizing process that makes life more and more secure - had gone steadily on to a climax. One triumph of a united humanity over Nature had followed another. Things that are now mere dreams had become projects deliberately put in hand and carried forward. And the harvest was what I saw!" - H. G. Wells, The Time Machine
     
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    I wasn't going to watch this because 15mins ffs but ended up watching it anyway.

    Coffee? I don't drink often but whenever I do get one (usually a latte) they're always rubbish whether it's from Costa or Starbucks though I tend to have better luck with Starbucks than Costa. They employ people not to make coffee but to use machines, unfortunately most don't even know how to do that and your coffee just never seems to taste right. Can't wait for the legitimate machines and not the crappy ones we have now!!! Not that I care but at least I would be more inclined to get a coffee when I'm out and about.

    Horses? They're probably thinking more along the lines of "fuck humanity, we can now finally live and do fuck all, hurray!"

    Self sustainable technology can create heaven on earth, fuck jobs, life can be way more interesting than becoming an accountant, a lawyer, and many other such jobs.

    I mean, overall this is quite an interesting video that can make you wonder about all sorts of things but I wouldn't be too worried. Ultimately automation should lead to a better life for us all, unless of course we as the human species do not overcome our imperfections, the most important ones being greed and our egos which power the evil of this world.

    At the end of the day, what is life? Is it your education? Is it your job? Is it your social status? Is it your entertainment? Or are most of these just distractions? Too many people are preoccupied with nonsense. Are people really living? Or do they think they're living but in reality they're just following the herd mentality? Remember, the brain is a powerful device.

    Herd mentality = boxed up thinking. Time to reclaim our minds?

    "The unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
     
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  4. Trepanated

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    Every few years, as technology advances, someone regurgitates this delusion that technology will take away all the jobs - and it never happens.

    It's a short-sighted, one-sided viewpoint that only looks at half of the equation.

    Yes, technical innovation can replace some specific jobs that some people do in some specific industries.

    But the other half of the equation, is that the same innovations often lead to whole new industries, creating more jobs than the ones that were automated.

    Just look at computers - the same thing was said about jobs disappearing many times (and is repeated in this video).

    But how many tens of millions of people now work in the tech industry - coders, designers, analysts, the list is endless.

    Far, far more jobs have been created as a result of computers than were lost to automation.

    These doom-mongers just lack the ability to be creative and think of all the new possibilities that each new development, invention and advancement also brings.

    I wonder if he'd be interested in buying a hammer from me?
     
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  5. nakaam30

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    the facts the author of that videos are correct and realistic, he stated that the automation revolution is nothing like the previous industrial or mechanic revolutions before..i live in a country where a lot of traditional jobs has been demolished due to automation so the threat of losing jobs is real. whether there will be new job aportunities, robots and bots taking over is innvetable and it's going to cut off a big slice of the human manual tasks.
     
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    Yes, of course some jobs disappear. But other jobs are also created. More than are lost.

    Look at the Luddites in the early 19th century. They said the same thing when parts of the textile industry was automated. All the jobs were going to be lost, they said. They smashed up the evil machines with hammers.

    How many millions of people are now employed in the textile industry? Far more than back in the early 1800s.

    And the only reason there are so many jobs in textiles now is because of automation.

    Since the industrial revolution started (the dawn of the evil machines that will take away all the jobs), global population has risen from 1 Billion to 8 Billion.

    If the doom-mongers are right, those extra 7 Billion people should all have no jobs.

    Where did all the new jobs come from, if not in new industries as a result of technological advancement?
     
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    The thing is that the video author answered your question already. New industries are extremely hi-tech and need only few people (usually highly skilled - and highly paid specialists). They do not create vast tree of jobs - one machine and a computer is all they need. No low-cost unskilled jobs in these industries. And it will get only worse in the future.

    And about earth population... 1.5 billion out of 8 live in China. 700 000 000 Chinese work for food - peasants, miners, low-skill assembly operators - hiring a culy to assemble USB flash for a can of soup daily is cheaper than buying a machine to do it. Yet when this machine will - inevitably - become cheaper, these assembly worker will lose their jobs.

    1.2 billion people live in India - about 400 000 000 work for minimum wage on equipment back from 1970-ies

    About 1 billion people live in South-Eastern Asia, Malaysia and Oceania - these regions are generally poor, excluding Asian tigers like Singapore.

    1 billion people leave in Africa - Africa has huge deposits of gold, coal, oil, metal ores and other resources - yet more than 60% of its population live in poverty due to unending civil wars and religious conflicts, revolutions and terror campaigns.

    about 500 000 people live in South America&Mexico - yet several countries there (Argentina, Venezuela, Peru) - live in permanent default state, and Columbia is in war between drug barons for several decades.

    Increasing world population does not mean improving quality of life. 5 billion out of 8 live in poverty - yet population growth in these countries is in double digits. On the other hand, European civilization, USA&Canada and Australia total only 2 billion people altogether AND THEIR POPULATION GROWTH numbers are in percents. Usual population growth rate is about 1-2% annually and for some countries it is about 0.5 or even minus. And these regions are mostly highly technological.

    This results in creation of new industries that create no new jobs. And population growth occurs where technology is not so advanced, where people have to fight for their lives - and reproduce to increase the chance of nation survival.

    Therefore, situation of white people becoming too lazy and too relying on machines to be able to withstand ambitions of Asian and African migrants can be a reality in a distant future.

    That is why keeping an inner power and motivation is essential. If you are too lazy and robots work instead of you - you are not biologically competitive. That is why we should look not only to automate existing jobs - but to create new ones. And this video is about it.
     
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    I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post but this is complete bullshit.

    Yes reproducing to increase survival is vital to some extent, but most reproduction is an aimless animal instinct. Growing populations do not help the world, they make it worse for future generations. The majority of people, especially in less developed areas of the world, think of no more than to start a family and have children mainly due to cultural influences where people get pressured into starting families because that's life for them. Where does this lead us? To population overgrowth and poverty. This problem becomes even more sever when people do not think and reproduce to unsustainable levels.

    I may just be rambling but as "developed" human beings we should know that strong foundations are the key to a better future for us all. Shitting babies left and right is not only damaging but completely irresponsible and goes to show that not all human beings develop equally. How do you expect to support a family if you have no foundations to do so? We are no longer living in the stone age where we can't rationalize and see the world from a different perspective. Human evolution has taken us a far way but it seems to have dramatically slowed down in the recent years. We are no longer just animals, or are we?

    I hope that made sense.
     
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    There's a lot of truth in this.

    I did read an interesting piece on population growth recently though, which looked at it from both a statistical and a cultural perspective - and his analysis was surprising.

    Basically he showed that population growth is predominantly down to people living longer, so most of the growth is now in the older age segments.

    Birth rates, however, are either remaining the same or falling and the most dramatic drops in birth rates, surprisingly, are in developing nations, where family sizes are getting smaller.

    Culturally and historically, having more children was a response to high infant mortality rates - more children gave a better chance of at least some of them surviving.

    As infant mortality rates come down, there is less pressure to have more children and so birth rates slowly reduce.

    I can't remember the exact figures, but he predicted global population would stabilise at 10 billion, which is only about a 15-20% increase on where we are now - and, crucially, sustainable.
     
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    That's very intelligent. I'd like to know your answer to the question you asked. "What is life?"
     
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    It's deep. It's just sad that most people don't stop even for a moment to examine it.



    What Steve Jobs says is pretty amazing stuff. The funny thing is you won't get it until you really get it. A bit of a paradox I guess?


    Check Alan Watts out too, you might get something out of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ8so-ld-l0
     
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    Interesting video, but I have a worry.. in future will we be all computer or electronic engineers (due that other works will have a high % of unemployment) to use robots or will we be more free and do our dream's job?
     
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    This isn't intended as a flippant comment - but what's stopping you doing your dream job right now?
     
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    I'm working every day to build my dream like all, btw I was just saying if in future people will be more free and have better career choices, because in many countries most people don't have access to good jobs/careers.
     
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    I donno but automation sure is threatening the lifestyle of my competitors :p
     
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    I believe the future is in expressing yourself through various ways, creating and inventing, philosophy, and living a worry free life where you're not forced towards anything.

    I've got a vision which I can't quite find the words to express but it's something along the lines of the above.

    Ultimately the way I see it is if we evolve, our world will change completely, we'll unite, we'll have balance, and there will be no need for nonsense careers or infinite desires.
     
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    Some of the automation is good, Walmart for example only usually have about 1/2 of the checkout lines being manned even during busy days. If they convert more lines to "self serve" they could have more people working in the stores to monitor the machines for theft, troubleshooting etc. But they have to use the quality of machines that Are Sams Club. For some reason walmart uses crappy self service machines at the walmart stores that have a huge lag compared to the almost instant ring up at the ones they use at Sams Club.
     
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    People do worry about this and I to be honest, if you work on a manufacturing line then you probably have good reason. The same will probably apply to drivers and a lot of other 'ABC' process workers in the not too distant future. The best thing to do is to own the bots.

    My ethos: Automate Everything.

    We're a lazy & greedy society and we will suffer eventually. But not yet so keep going...