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Attention Marketers: Who Wants an Opportunity to Work with Neil Patel?

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  1. The Scarlet Pimp

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    could be your ticket to the big time! :batman:

    Requirements

    "There are a few requirements for this position:

    You must be able to work 40 hours a week. If you are in school or have other commitments, this won't work.

    You have to be able to work remotely. This job is open to anyone around the world. So if you are able to work from home, great.

    You need to read Quick Sprout. If you haven't read a lot of the posts or guides on Quick Sprout, then you probably aren't a good fit.

    You need to know the basics of online marketing. I don't have time to train someone from scratch, so the more knowledge you have, the better.

    You have to be willing to work hard. If you are lazy, please don't waste my time.

    You have to be passionate about online marketing. I'm a big believer that you should focus on what you love. If you don't love online marketing, then you should consider a different career path.

    You have to love helping others. This is probably my biggest passion in life. Helping others is what truly makes me happy, and it's what motivates me to work."

    http://www.quicksprout.com/2015/04/...wants-an-opportunity-to-work-with-neil-patel/
     
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  2. KevinK

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    Yeah, I know of Neil, KISSmetrics and CrazyEgg. Isn't he from London and lives somewhere in Seattle? How do you know Neil. I'll click your link, but I don't expect much -- after all, you don't seem to be Neil and it is April 1!

    I haven't read a lot of posts on QuickSprout.


    edit: I just followed your link... interesting. I just might consider it! Thanks.
     
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  3. KevinK

    KevinK Junior Member

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    I've decided that there is no way I could work for Neil, or alongside him.

    First off, Neil is of Indian decent far as I can tell, and isn't qualified to teach/tutor anybody in internet marketing. He is looking for marketers to hire so he can glean from the team. Sure, it is a possible good growth opportunity as long as there is loyalty, but I haven't found that to be the case in the past.

    I don't know of any problems that I have, or have had working with people of other nationalities. I have worked professionally alongside people specifically chosen from Kuwait, China, Turkey, and India. That's not the problem -- I'm an American -- and American employers are cheap! They want everything and want to pay nothing.

    I've been a consultant 'almost' all of my life. Even when I had steady jobs, I was still consulting. Herein lies the problem. Neil is from India. He has tight ties with people from India and Indian companies.

    I've had two major jobs with large companies that paid $3,000 weekly. These consulting 'jobs' were supposed to last 3 years -- I was supposed to be eventually hired on full-time at that rate -- that is what I was told up front. In both cases, after working for these companies for 3 months, I was told my services were no longer needed. The project had proceeded way faster than expected and I had worked myself out of a job.

    So, here is the problem -- both jobs were outsourced to India. And, furthermore I can't stand their customer support, or their lack of understanding. They don't have an American mindset and sometimes it's a bit much trying to get them to relate to you.

    Anyway, so far Neil has not had success in marketing. Most people from BHW that have made any money online would seem to know more than Neil, and he is going to teach them. As a team, perhaps it would work. But I don't believe Neil is qualified to teach anybody marketing.

    That is my take on this position, and I know you didn't need to know all this, but others can read my response and sit back and really consider -- should I really work for this guy.

    It could be the next Microsoft, YouTube, or Google. There is no telling. But I am happy in my current situation.

    So, thank you -- it's doesn't seem to be an April fools joke -- hope my review helps people in making a valuable career decision.

    edit: here is the link I used in making my decision.
     
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  4. Trepanated

    Trepanated Supreme Member

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    And herein lies your problem - problems actually, there are a few:

    1. Don't be racist
    2. Don't be judgemental
    3. Don't make assumptions
    4. Don't make sweeping generalisations
    5. Don't be xenophobic
    6. Learn to read properly.

    After reading your post, I'm not surprised.
     
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  5. SeoWrecker

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    who is neil patel ?
     
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  6. lord1027

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    I only recently heard of him too. But that's because I lack basic knowledge of people in this field, he seems to be pretty famous in the IM world.
    And he's comming in Romania in may, along with Matthew Woodward, I guess I'll see him then: http://www.gpec.ro/speakeri-gpec-summit-mai-2015/
     
  7. KevinK

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    I knew I'd get some BS from somebody who knows nothing about the economy and what's going on. I never said Neil, India, or Indian companies were the problem. I specifically said that American companies are the problem.

    The best place to outsource is apparently India, let's face it, call customer service and who do you get for a lot of large corporations -- India. Where do you think my hard work went? To India. Again, I do have a problem... I'm not willing to go through being lied to and ripped off, ever again.

    I do have a problem, but it's not racist in nature. I'm done having my brain picked.

    In fact I've worked for myself now for over 10 years, so put that in your pipe and smoke it!
     
  8. SeoWrecker

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    i was being sarcastic . I mean you can find more successful people than him on Bhw itself
     
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    Who the hell is "Neil"? All I know is big face Benji $100
     
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    I reread your post several times above and if you do not have some sort of prejudice against Indians, you sure did a poor job expressing yourself.

    You said: "I've decided that there is no way I could work for Neil, or alongside him. First off, Neil is of Indian decent far as I can tell..."

    That was the first 2 lines of your post.

    That is pretty much how one would express themselves if they were prejudiced or racist.

    Just sayin'...
     
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  11. lord1027

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    Agreed, but most successful IMers don't make it public.
    Neil is pretty well known though, but I never heard of it until 2 weeks ago.
     
  12. Trepanated

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    Is that right?

    First of all, jobs get outsourced to many countries, not just India. You taking a dislike to India specifically suggests either xenophobia or your own lack of understanding about the economy. Perhaps a bit of both?

    And the reason jobs get outsourced to other countries is not the fault of the companies. Suggesting it's their fault again shows a lack of understanding about the economy - it's your fault. You the consumer, you the buyer, you the customer.

    Because very time you make a shopping choice based on price, every time you go for the cheapest option, you are part of the problem. Because those price based decisions put pressure on companies to drop their prices. And at some point, with relentless pressure from consumers, the only way they could continue to compete on price was to outsource overseas. You caused the problem every time you demanded cheaper goods. You just want to blame someone else, something else, anything else.

    And outsourcing didn't start when you first called a call-centre and spoke to an overseas worker. Again, another lack of understanding of the economy. It started long before that. Production, assembly, manufacturing - that all started to be outsourced overseas decades ago. But you didn't care then, because your toys, consumer electronics, cars, were all getting cheaper.

    Cheap goods, happy consumers - fuck it when it only affected other people, that didn't matter.

    But now that it finally it affects you in a more direct way - all of a sudden it's a problem?

    And do you know the biggest irony? When people like you complain about speaking to someone overseas when you call a company - you are still using the company. You are still buying their service. You are still going for the cheapest option. You are still causing the problem you are complaining about.

    And yet you tell me I know nothing about the economy?
     
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  13. Aleksandrius

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    Hey mate, I am interested about this summit.
    You stated that he is coming "in Romania", so I suppose you are Romanian.
    Since there is no English version of the site, I find it hard to understand what exactly will this summit be about.
    I would like to now how can I find a ticket for me and my partner.
    PM me if you don't like these thread being bumped.
    Thanks
     
  14. KevinK

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    You are correct on two counts...

    I don't have any prejuduce against Indians, nor any race,
    but, being a programmer and having spent too much time
    on computers, I do have a poor time expressing myself :)

    And that is too unfortunate for me I would suppose. It may
    be a great opportunity for somebody, but I'm afraid I don't
    fit in.
     
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  15. KevinK

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    That is my point. I could learn more from many of you here on BHW, and there are for sure more successful people here in the forum. But Neil is reaching out for help, and that's a good thing. But he's going to teach us marketing? Neil, according to his about page, doesn't have that part figured out yet. But I'm sure he will in the near future.

    As I said before, this could be another Microsoft, YouTube, or Google in the making. There is no telling.

     
  16. KevinK

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    You're almost correct, but that's not the economy stuff I was talking about.

    To people in India, $200 is a lot -- over here it won't begin to pay the bills.


    edit: I just found a good read on Neil that I hadn't seen before here.
     
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  17. Trepanated

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    And what does that have to do with the economic pressures that drive companies to outsource segments of their business overseas? For someone who accuses others of knowing nothing about the economy, you seem to have a very poor grasp of even the basics.

    So what 'economy' stuff were you talking about?
     
  18. KevinK

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    You attacked and continue to throw stones...
    since I know nothing, why should you listen.

    I'm the kind of person you either love or hate.
    Those who take the time to understand me
    usually become my close friends.

    What I've written, I have written... this isn't
    about me, it's about Neil. Is it worth it?


    I would like to remind all of you that nothing
    was mentioned about $$$ he's willing to pay.

    And, during the time frame you are being paid,
    he owns you and any systems you develop,
    unless you get something up front and in writing.

    If you try and get something in writing, he'll
    probably move on to the next candidate.


    There are blatant errors in his blogs, and I'm not
    sure that they aren't outsourced.

    Something seems wrong.


    I'm going to make this plain and simple, and try to avoid saying anything that can easily be misconstrued.

    First read Neil's about page. This is very important. Look at where he's made his money. Has he made his money teaching marketing, or exactly where did he make his money.


    All the 'great' gurus don't make the bulk of their money selling their stuff. Here is how it is done, and I suppose everybody already knows this:

    They leverage off of everyone's efforts. They swarm together, create product buzz, and gain a following, have their own lists. They market to their own lists and each others lists in bulk.


    But, they make the bulk of their money teaching, traveling, and gaining more of a following.

    Everyone is an appointed guru of some department that they are the 'group appointed' best at. There's a saying about teaching, and I won't repeat it, cause somebody's sure to take me wrong.

    How do they do all of this? They have one simple thing in place that most of you don't -- a company. Forming a company costs anywhere from $250 to $1000. After that there are annual fees, eg. owning an LLC in Vegas will cost you $150/year as I recall.


    If you don't own a company, you're losing out on freedom -- traveling while you work -- not to mention a lot of expenses that you can write off from your income. Owning a company pays for all of this, and more.

    If you want to be independent here is the succession: 1. Work for somebody else, 2. Start working for yourself, 3. Outsource your work, 4. Open a company, preferably an LLC, and 5. Hire employees to manage your business.


    If you already own a company, then you might want to open another company to control and manage that company. The company you are opening to manage your LLC would either be another LLC, or a Corporation. The type of company you are opening is a risk management company. This company's sole function is to hold risk funds -- sort of like Paypal does when it freezes your account, if you catch my drift.

    Somebody may sue you and your primary company, even get a judgement. But if your primary company has no funds available to pay you, you can't pay on your judgement. However, even if you can't pay, the suer still has to pay taxes on the income they would have gotten from you, according to the amount awarded by the judgement.


    I still feel this is a great opportunity 'for the right person!'. You have to be good at public speaking, know your subject(s) well, and know what you are talking about. Having a good strong/confident stage presence would also be very helpful.

    There is a reason Neil is looking for 3 employees and not outsourcing; and he's explained that too, only I think there is more to it! People with money aren't stupid... they hire and surround themselves with the best people.


     
  19. PinguSpy

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    Most so called guru make money via seminar, expensive consultant, or selling ebook.

    Belive me.

    Those busy making M permonth. Have no time to write a blog even running some seminar.

    And they are not underground internet marketer, or try to looks cool by stay hidden, but because they just too busy to show up.