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As my Google SERP goes up, Yahoo and Bing go down...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by StreamlineWeb, Dec 11, 2011.

  1. StreamlineWeb

    StreamlineWeb Junior Member

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    Hi all,

    I've been doing a lot of daily SEO work on my "money site" which sells seasonal products. I was hired late in the season by the gentleman who is now my biz partner, so I am scrambling around trying to figure this out. There may be no answer to this, since I started LATE in the season, but since BHW is the best friggin community I've run into, I want to ask the collective genius for some help!

    Some background info:

    - It's a highly competitive niche/product, with 22,000 exact searches/month, 1.6 million results if I put the keyword in quotes, simultaneous intitle & inurl results equal 117,000 on Google.com
    - I have the exact KW in my domain, but it's beside a brand name we represent. (i.e. BRANDNAMEkeyword.com)
    - I built a page from scratch in October, and published 2 articles each around 500 words which are on-page optimized (SEOPressor) and tweaked for human readability/sales copy goodness.
    - Google rankings have increased from 49 to 17 since November 1st, which I'm pretty darn happy about. The increase has been slow and steady with no major "dance" visible.
    - At the same time. Yahoo has been doing this:

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    and Bing looks similar. VERY frustrating since I flirted with page 1 and saw awesome traffic from Bing and Yahoo.

    Here's what I've been doing for my off-page SEO:

    After my on-page was squared away, I built my 1st tier around the money site with:
    - an article to EzineArticles
    - 20 posts to BuildMyRank (80% using my primary keyword, 20% varied)
    - Running NoHandsSEO 24/7 with varied anchor text back to the money site.
    - 100 posts every 6 hours through AMR (175 are indexed at this point) each has 1 link back to the money site using the primary keyword. I'm blasting these articles with ScrapeBox to help with indexing.
    - 7 SEnuke X blasts with varied/custom templates. Some templates were multi-tiered (backlinking the backlinks) and some were simple and just pointed right at the money site.
    - I dicked around with Xrumer but didn't build anything serious as far as backlinks go.
    - I'm also running "blasts" of SEsniper with public proxies, but honestly I think this program is snakeoil.
    - and lately, I've started to blast the money site with AA ScrapeBox lists with varied anchor text and of course random names/emails

    I was getting desperate, so I tried a "unique" strategy whereby you publish software onto multiple download sites and try to get a keyword anchor text link back to your money site. I haven't seen anything result of this yet, but only about 5 of those backlinks have been indexed (from sites like bestdownloadscenter.com).

    I've also shelled out $72 to rent some high PR backlinks. They should kick in next week, and hopefully I will fly to page 1 (dreaming? maybe) on Google.

    And something I should have done from the start, but just did this month, was use SEO SpyGlass and look at my competition's backlinks, and try and post to the same blogs etc. Their backlinks are garbage, mostly, and I have WAY more than they do. Yet for some reason they're getting the love. Could it be because my strategy is flawed, or because their backlinks have been around since last summer and I'm really just starting? I thought an indexed backlink was an indexed backlink, but maybe one of the strength factors is how long that backlink's been indexed...?

    So WTF is up with Bing and Yahoo? Am I pissing them off with this strategy, because Google seems to be like a fat kid licking a pudding cup.
     
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  2. the_demon

    the_demon Jr. Executive VIP

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    Typically direct spamming techniques, particularly ScrapeBox and Xrumer work extremely well at improving Yahoo / Bing results...

    These two engines focus far more on the quantity of links vs. quality. In Fact, tiered linking is hardly effective. WTF!?!?

    *** THE BAD NEWS ***
    The top tactics for Bing / Yahoo ranking cause massive google dancing or de-listing in Google. :(

    *** THE GOOD NEWS ***
    You can have the best of both worlds but, it's tricky. Focus on creating large tier 1 links for Yahoo and Bing. Also, create keyword rich content. Y&B care more about keyword rich content than Google! Next, start tiering out your links. Ideally you're going to want at least 3 levels of backlinks.

    *** OTHER NOTES ***
    Yahoo and Bing are significantly slower at finding links when compared to Google. Speed up the process by using linklicious on ONLY your tier 3 and drip feed them.

    Generally speaking, if you focus on ranking in Google, Yahoo and Bing will follow. It's widely known that Bing has a strong tendency to copy Google's search results and they've been caught in the past.
     
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  3. StreamlineWeb

    StreamlineWeb Junior Member

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    Wow, great response & info.. thank you!

    I'll implement your suggestions and report back as I see changes. +Thanks!
     
  4. washington2010

    washington2010 Regular Member

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    Can you explain what the 3 levels you use are ?

    level 1 -
    level 2 -
    level 3 -
     
  5. jon_xx_x

    jon_xx_x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Didn't read your post, but as per your thread subject, who cares.
    Google is too important to worry about the others at this time.
     
  6. websitegeek

    websitegeek Newbie

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    thanks for the info guys
     
  7. xboxps3wow

    xboxps3wow Power Member

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    I think you killed it with the AMR links.. I had few sites ranking quite well and after few SLOW submissions of very decent articles, the sites started to fall in ranks.
    It could be something else, of course, but that's what fucked a lot of my stuff up.
     
  8. iggy357

    iggy357 Junior Member

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    I have been having a lot of success with Bing/Yahoo with blog posts. Bing/Yahoo take much more time to move up, so don't get in a hurry. Try a big ALN blast I have ranked over 100 sites with this first Google, then Yahoo/Bing follow.
     
  9. ILoveCSharp

    ILoveCSharp Regular Member

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    yahoo and bing is nothing when compared to google. they really do not bring any traffic.