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Arthas and idkfawin32 - The Story

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by cypionate, May 31, 2009.

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  1. cypionate

    cypionate Power Member

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    This is a public announcement about Arthas and idkfawin32 and why they were banned...

    Arthas was in agreement with BHW Staff that he would repay the debt owed to previous "Clickbanger" customers. He was to follow a weekly payment schedule set forth by BHW Staff. Recently there have been complaints of "non payments" so I decided to investigate these complaints. I asked Arthas for detailed payment history and he failed to provide it to me - He just ignored my PMs and/or beat around the bush about "who exactly" he paid. He said "that would be hard for me to find out". If you were making Paypal payments to people wouldn't you know WHO you paid? I am sure you would! I don't just send "random" Paypal payments to people.

    A couple days later "idkfawin32" announces he has ditched Arthas and is going to rebrand the product and continue sales/support of the product. I had a long talk with IDK and I honestly thought he was genuinely serious about this move. Well come to find out... I start getting massive IMs/PMs from people saying it's a coverup and they are just doing it to rid "Arthas" name from the product. I went back to IDK and talked to him again about it - He assured me AGAIN Arthas was no longer involved in the product.

    Now today... I got more PMs from people saying it's a coverup. This time with screenshots showing Arthas is still involved. I don't need much more proof than this because it shows everyone that Arthas is obviously still involved.

    Aethas is banned and idkfawin32 is on a 30 day ban so he can think about what he "tried" to pull over on BHW Staff. We don't really appreciate shady people around here and that is not what we stand for. This is BHW and we are a community. We will not tolerate shady and slimy people.

    Here are a couple screenshots for everyone. This is from the Ham Harvester support forum...

    Arthas saying the product has been rebranded and to "go get it"... Why would he be saying it has been rebranded and to "go get it" if he was no longer involved in the product?
    http://i44.tinypic.com/2v1md5e.jpg

    Arthas posting the new "**********" forum for the product... Why would he be posting the link to the new forum on his Ham Harvester forum if IDK doesn't want to work with him anymore?
    http://i40.tinypic.com/21o69gx.jpg

    So... If anybody has any question why these folks are no longer around. That should sum it up for everyone.

    Cyp
     
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  2. Steeky

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    Oh boy, I tried to buy the program and PayPal held my funds. Thank god. If I knew it was the ClickBanger guy I would of never attempted to buy. Somebody contacted me the other day asking did I get anything from Arthas because they purchased and didn't get a dled link. Sucks....
     
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    Wow, have been looking at this for a long time thinking about buying it. Glad I never got around to it. So is everyones HH dead in the water right now?
     
  4. jadsn

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    Well just because he said to go get it doesn't mean he's part of it. He could just be mature about it and helping people move over to the right product. Arthas doesn't seem like the type of guy who would be immature about a serious move like this and not help people go the right direction about a move like this.

    I worked with IDK and all the money is going to him now. He does most of the work so I guess they decided to part ways then its completely right in my opinion.

    Its kinda unfair to put IDK on the shitlist because of Arthas since it's really not his fault.

    Just my opinion
     
  5. cypionate

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    ******** - You make some very good points and your post is much appreciated. At this point in time it's hard to tell "who" is on the new team. I am getting tips from all angles and most of them are coming from Ham customers... They are the ones actually telling me Arthas is still involved. So if you put 2 and 2 together what would you think?

    Also... The only reason Arthas was allowed back on this board was because he promised to pay people back. The "push" for Arthas to do this was made by me. I made a payment sheet for him to follow and I was more or less "managing" his stay here as long as he followed the "rules of the deal". He has failed to follow the rules, thus he is banned, and he was banned by me. This is not because he was "competition"... It was he broke the rules of the deal and I was the one working the deal with him.

    I told IDK 6 months ago who he was working with and I stressed to him that it wasn't a good idea to become partners with Arthas - He didn't listen to my suggestion and decided to continue working with Arthas. Since "he" made that decision he now ultimately faces the crap that comes along with Arthas fall (again) on BHW - They were "partners".

    Now... If this whole mess cools down and BHW Staff can ingest the notion that these two guys are NOT working together than more the merrier for IDK. But since IDK now has a history with Arthas it would be silly to allow this "circus" act to continue on BHW.

    Not to mention Arthas not paying people back... I have people PMing me saying they PAID for the product and have never received their software - They have been waiting over 10 days.

    The decision to ban Arthas and remove the Ham thread was not mine alone... BHW Staff was consulted on this and it was discussed in private. Just because I banned Arthas (this time) doesn't indicate any emotion against competition - It merely means I am the one who banned him. He has been banned so many times by other mods/admins in the past its almost comical. I am the one who banned him "this time" for his ongoing nonsense on not paying people back as promised.

    Cyp
     
  6. cypionate

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    Wow... I am sorry bro... Do you have any idea who you are talking about? I guess you were not around for the last "go round" of Arthas/Jaeden nightmare huh? No disrespect to you man... But what you say above is funny. :bigok:

    Cyp
     
  7. cypionate

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    On another note... I am going to unban "idkfawin32". Maybe he can come in here and tell his story... Maybe you guys are right... Maybe he doesn't have anything to do with Arthas anymore... Maybe I am wrong...

    I always give people the benefit of the doubt until I clearly see they have blatantly screwed me around left, right, up, and down.

    I just want the whole circus mess or Arthas/Jaeden over with. I am sick of spending time dealing with his nonsense.

    Cyp
     
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    I think thats a great idea Cyp...lets hear from IDK's mouth and see what he has to say about the situation. Lets not label him guilty by association just yet...I know I hate it when cops pull that crap on me. lol
     
  9. cypionate

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    LOL! Me too... It's only fair IDK speaks his mind. I would want the same courtesy.

    Cyp
     
  10. swiper

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    Hey CYP, I have spoken to you on PMs a while ago and we are both cool but I can't help but standup for IDK here because I feel that guilt by association is not right.

    People talk!! Has anyone shown you any proof because I would like to see it myself. If Arthas is indeed inviolved, we have all been lied to and it needs to come out. :)

    Fair point and if he didnt follow the payment plan then you have every right to ban ARTHAS. I dont think anyone can say otherwise.

    This is where it gets a little iffy for me.

    Firstly- IDK has every right to work with whoever he wants especially considering that at the time Arthas was allowed on the forums and was not banned. How was IDK to know that ARTHAS wopuld not stick to the payment plans?

    Secondly - the shit that went down with clickbanger had NOTHING to do with IDK.

    A case in example... i have a friend who gets busted for drugs and does a prison sentence and gets fined 10k which he has to pay within 6 months. In the meanwhile, me and him go into business sellinghousehold items ( or anything legal..just giving an example here)
    Now after 6 months , he still has not paid his fine. Do you think its right that after the 6 months, I also get thrown into jail with him? OFCOURSE NOT|. That doesnt make any sense.

    I think its better to be seen as innocent till proven guilty. IDK has not scrwed anyone over and until mods find evidence to support otherwise, he should be allowed back on.

    Well CL made some changes and obviously IDK and the other partners were shifting everything over so there is a delay in the software development. The blaster is working 100%. the harvester needs fixing. No ones denying that.

    After Arthas has failed to make payments, I think you guys have every right to keep him perma banned but IMO, that should not affect IDK at all.

    Anyways. I personally hate forum drama too, Just like you. Hopefully, all this will be sorted like it should and peeps dont ahve to pay the price just for associations.
     
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  11. ratdaddee

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    Cyp made a decision and that should have been it. Case closed. The thread should have been closed to comments as well. If anything, a couple of posts are in violation of forum rule 21.

    21 ? Public Complaints About The BHW Staff ? Public posts debating or complaining about our rules, or an Administrator's or Moderator?s enforcement of such rules, are strictly prohibited and will be removed without notice.
     
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    I know hindsight is 20/20 but i wish you guys would never have let jaeden back in. Hopefully you won't make that mistake again or else this forum is going to lose credibility. ALL scammers should be banned permanently, end of story.
     
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    I didn't know Jaeden was back as Arthas. So then, Is idkfawin32 mazemaimi?
     
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  14. invinceable

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    Can anyone elaborate on what ClickBanger was, or why he was forced to pay people back? What did he sell? Is there a thread I can read up on it somewhere?

    Thanks.
     
  15. cypionate

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    swiper - You must have wrote that while I was unbanning IDK. The screenshots posted in the OP "look like" Arthas is still working with them. That coupled with Ham customers telling me it's a cover up - You can see why it looks like Arthas is still involved.

    But... Don't get me wrong. I don't know "everything" in the world and I can always be "wrong" about things. That is why I am giving IDK the benefit of the doubt. Let him come in here and explain his side of the story.

    Yep... You are right, IDK can work with whoever he wants to. However if you are working with a scammer and the scammer goes down and you are right there beside him - Yes, you are going to take some heat. No doubt about it. That IS why I warned IDK about working with him... Just because "I KNEW" this day would come.

    Sure... Some of you may be "going against the rules" but you know what... I am taking what you say as "constructive criticism". I just want what is right and fair and I want all this crap to come to an end.

    Cyp
     
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  16. swiper

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    LOL..u r right, i worte that post as you were unbanning. Ofcourse, the screenshots look like Arthas is still involved. But think about it. If it was a coverup, they could easily create a smokescreen and cause drama but it was all handled proffessionally.
    Fair enuff. Point I was making was that once Arthas agreed to pay back, he is no longer an out and out scammer. But niow that hes missed payments, I guess hes a scammer. I get the point about heat. I once was in the car with a friend who had drugs on him. he got busted and I did get heat from the police BUT becos I was innocent, I was not punished!!
    Hats off to you for being mature about this. ESP considering the history of the whole thing. On a side note, hows the little one? My 1 year old nephew is running round the house as we speak. hes a little monster LOL. I am scared of having kids one day. haha
     
  17. cypionate

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    Clickbanger was a product coded by Arthas/Jaeden/Whatever. He outlined what the product did when he sold it and a bunch of people bought it for $1k. The product didn't work and he strung everyone along saying "one more day... we are getting it fixed... blah blah blah...". Well after some time people asked for their money back and Arthas/Jaeden hit the door running with all the money and nobody got a refund.

    He made off with ~10-20K of BHW members money. He came back as "Arthas" and nobody knew who he was until someone found out his identity. Rather than ban him right then and there we allowed him to stay as long as he paid Clickbanger members back on a payment plan. Well he defaulted on his payment agreement and now he is gone (again).

    The guy is just a mess anyway you look at it. I almost feel silly for letting him back on here with the promise by him of paying people back. I firmly believe in second chances and he got his... There isn't a third chance in my book.

    That is the story in a nutshell.

    Cyp
     
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    I appreciate the explanation. What did clickbanger do? Don't you guys moderate products before they are allowed to be put in the B/S/T section to prevent situations like that?
     
  19. cypionate

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    It was a cookiestuffer. Yes, we moderate things and this particular product slipped through the cracks somehow on "full" testing of the product. As you may notice now... It isn't very easy to get a product approved on here. We run it through the wringer before we allow it to be posted for sale.

    Cyp
     
  20. cypionate

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    He is cute as hell and fussy as hell... LOL!
     
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