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Aren't things just going to get worse and worse for SEO?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Ranko Jones, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. Ranko Jones

    Ranko Jones BANNED BANNED

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    I know ppl think it is bad form to say SEO X and Y program is dead but isn't it just going to get worse and worse as G improves their algorithm to prevent manipulation tricks?

    This is a really depressing thought but oftentimes reality aint pretty.

    We've seen how AMR died a horrible death. SB and xrumer although they may still have some effect will prob just get downrated more and more with each update till they get snuffed completely.

    You have to admit that all the programs work less effectively than they used to so what makes you so confident that with future updates they won't get snuffed out altogether?

    Judging by how things are going I can easily see xrumer and sb et al going the way of AMR. What then?
     
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  2. Dan Da Man

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    Well, just as with everything in life, things change and people, systems, programs and everything else has to adapt. It is not like you are the only poor soul that will be affected by this. Every single person who has a website or does seo would be effected too. The playing field is fair. My thought is that google will get a lot smarter and more advanced and catch on to our little tricks. But, doesn't mean we will not innovate and create things to counter google.

    Come on, change is good. Imagine ten years ago or however long ago when people were keyword stuffing. They probably had the same exact thinking as you :)
     
  3. ThopHayt

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    Who cares if X, Y, or Z program stops being effective... there will be TWO to replace it that will have adapted to G and their counter-measures.

    The game will change but it will still need players and that's us. Don't be lazy, and change when need be... that's my plan.
     
  4. Dan Da Man

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  5. Jabong82

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    Dude First Off AMR, SB, and Xrumer are not dead.

    Second, the bottom line is that for Google to stay in business, it will have to be able to provide the most relevant and "best" search results.

    There is only a finite way to do this, and the algorithm will ALWAYS be able to be manipulated. This is a fact. Whether it be via backlinks, +1s, or other social media things, it will ALWAYS be gamed.

    Even the old stuff still works if you know what you are doing.

    Most people who aren't having any success fail to understand the formula, and it is HITTING YOU RIGHT IN THE FACE. Here it is:

    Quality Content + Backlinks = $$$$ That's it folks!

    Some other useful equations/laws you may find helpful:

    Diet + Exercise = Weight Loss
    Lotsa Money = Hot Chicks


    The end.
     
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  6. dragonrage01

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    Think of it this way.
    If the whole world uses x, y, z programs for seo and the people that used it best are in the top 10 spots.

    When all the links have decreased in value, the same sites will still be on top. Since every site lose link juice, and everyone lose the same link juice then the competition or seo should still be the same.
     
  7. RealEcon

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    Its just going to get more complex and expensive. Newbs will have no chance at SEO in the future unless they have $$$$ to throw around and learn. I dont know how newbs make it as it is. I know if I would have known how hard SEO is I would not have even started, but once you put a certain amount of time and $$$$ into SEO you are sort of committed;-)
     
  8. steviep

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    ...there is only one thing that hasn`t changed and that is "Dont make Google look stupid", everything else in the last 10 years or so is a tug of war, but if you stick to not make Google look stupid, you can get away with allot...
     
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  9. Dan Da Man

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    Just as you said this I was on FB and saw a bunch of fat rich wierdos with really hot chicks. No offense if you are a fat rich wierdo :)
     
  10. codo3500

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    One thing will never change - there will always be someone ranking #1, and they always got there somehow.
     
  11. ytterium

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    Hi,

    As Herbert Spencer said: "Survival of the fittest"....Those who will keep on looking for other ways to rank after being affected by changes in algorithm will keep doing well.

    As for the tools, they still work but one has to use them wisely and efficiently.

    Cheers,
    ytterium
     
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    Agreed. I don't see any decline in SEO - just becoming richer and richer. :D
     
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    This.
     
  14. LowCountry

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    Amen!! Well put. Everything evolves over time. Players and technology will evolve as well. If you don't evolve you go away. It's a tough business, but that's the reality. All of your equations are right on BTW.
     
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    Dude the algorithm is a mathematical equation, when Google changes the equation all you need to do is change the numbers. Simple as that.

    Those tools you mentioned are not dead and are not going to die. It is all in how you use the tool you have. Trying to use the round end of a ball peen hammer to drive a nail is not easy but it is doable. If you are having issues using the tools, try another approach and turn it around.
     
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    Sorry but there´s no work/investing at all involved in your formula.

    You forgot basic things, like keyword research.

    Allow me:


    Overcoming all pits and alligators and duds of keyword research(at least getting to a point where you can chew data/spit keywords) plus knowing how to host, achieving expertise in the cms you´re using, knowing what exactly is quality content and how to mass produce it (knowing where to outsource OR $$ for fresh quality content OR using your own ass as a mule and write a lot) + same thing for backlinks... = $$$$ in the very very least in 2 months.

    there´s too much more to it!
     
  17. Expertpeon

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    SEO will become less competitive I think, since google is attempting to make it so that the intelligent and diligent survive... both qualities being absent from 99% of SEOers
     
  18. balsagoth007

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    @Ranko Jones : I see that you are still having problems with SEO and ranking your sites, i've seen many of your posts where your complain about that.
    Those tools are not dead you only have to try and try until you get a winning method, if those tools are dead you will see half the members of BHW crying here.
     
  19. accelerator_dd

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    most of the time they release an algo, and a lot of us lose ranks without doing anything, but after some time we get back, sometimes even stringer.

    They try to use more strict algos but the problem is that the web is a big place. With software we can reach very similar behavior to real users. So much text online that sometimes you write an article yourself and still copyscape says it's 3-6% matched.

    Point is, blackhat seo is at a point where not a lot can be done. Yes they can ban all senuke sites, or whatever, but someone will always come and make a new one. There are things that can happen but nothing to worry about ;)
     
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    Yes, I get depressed at this thought, too. But I am too far in now to quit. I just keep going and hope for the best. Change my approach, add tactics when my experience tells me to. That's all we can do.

    In terms of backlinking though, SB would once have been able to have a substantial effect on rankings. Look at blog pages, content rich and indexed, if you left a comment there your link was pretty decent in the old days. G's introduction of Nofollow killed that party in one swoop. Sure there are plenty of ******** places left but most have captchas and stuff, so now it doesn't make sense economically to target a lot of those. Profile links are ******** but a good proportion are private, and either way they are not content rich and an absolute bitch to get indexed. I am pretty decent at linkbuilding via Xrumer, I was lucky enough to be taught by some talented guys (read. russians) who admitted that linkbuilding using the good ol' RYMEP wasn't what it used to be. Ten years ago spam guestbooks + spam profiles = page 1. Now it's straight to the sandbox.

    Then comes tools like AMR. You might think AMR would be really good since it gives G what it wants, content rich pages, it just automates the submission process, which to be honest I don't see it to be all that black hat at all. Humans have evolved tools since the dawn of our species in order to make our efforts more efficient. Yet like the rest AMR has been watered down in efficacy. My latest experiments to see the power of AMR all had very feeble results. And yes, I know how to use it perfectly. Yes, I harvested my own extensive directories list. The fact is, it's going down. You think people at G don't read this place? When people scream "Xrumer, SB, AMR, BMD" etc etc, all it does is alert G spam team to these tools, they buy a copy, use it extensively then reverse engineer their alogrithm to make it as ineffective as possible. I'm not sure what can be done about this, because even if we made BHW private, some prick from G would still get in here, or some idiot would leak the contents of the forum - it only takes one idiot to ruin it all.

    Best thing you can do for SEO to start is have good quality optimized content, a lot of it, and optimize your pages properly for the keywords you're targeting. Update site regularly. Er, oh shit, that's all white hat isn't it? Precisely. But those things are more powerful than a SB blast or whatever ever will be.
     
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