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aren't homepage networks really suspicious in g's eyes?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Bartman, Nov 30, 2011.

  1. Bartman

    Bartman Power Member

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    blog1 links to site1, site2, site3, site4, site5, site6
    so does blog2
    so does blog3
    so does blog4
    so does blog38
    so does blog 39
    so does blog40

    in blog1 through blog40, the anchor text for site1 is always the same. the anchor text for site2 is always the same. the anchor text for site3 is always the same.

    isn't this really suspicious?
    in a natural world this would never happen.
    if i was google i could detect homepage blog networks in a second.
     
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    jascoken Senior Member

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    We stopped using 'n-way' link networks around 18 months ago; too much footprint.

    They used to work though - up till early 2010.
     
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    Bartman Power Member

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    what is n-way?
     
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    Too much jargon :(

    I would like to get "n-way" explained too, as well as "homepage networks" in OP title (I guess it has something to do with what some call "private blog networks", but I'm not sure).
     
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    'n' means any number...

    So 2-way (reciprocal), 3-way, 4-way etc... I.e. how many links before you get back to your site.. These were the big thing from 2007-2009. Going through multiple steps was supposed to mask it from looking like reciprocal linking - which lost it's effectiveness around 2007.

    These program's had you install a php script which automatically updated with other people's links, and it was always linked to from the home-page as a 'resources' or 'links' page.

    Jon legers '3-way links' is an example, as is neurolinker.
     
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  6. Bartman

    Bartman Power Member

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    but that's not what i am talking about here. I am talking about private homepage networks.
    like i pay someone to put my link on their 40 blogs.
    so does person B.
    so does person C.
    let's say there are 85 subscribers.

    so these 40 blogs link to the same exact 85 sites.
    which seems very unnatural. in the real world this would never happen. too much of a coincidence in google's eyes.
    AND...AND the anchor texts are the same...more unnatural.
     
  7. the_demon

    the_demon Jr. Executive VIP

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    Your correct, this is why it's essential that you use multiple private blog networks and only use PBN's as part of your SEO strategy.

    Typically, the best strategy is using a full link spectrum (all possible different types of links).
     
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    The demon beat me to it. If you just rely on those, you won't get far. It's a combination of all the links. The homepage links are an add-on.
     
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    May I assume from jascoken's words that wheel-shaped linking structures don't work any longer for SEO? Even those with many intermediate steps, not just 3-way ones?
     
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    I think you see "these 40 blogs" as a pack. And that is because you are on the secret. If the owner of that linking service manages his business in a proper, discreet manner (different c-class IP, lot of registrars with domain privacy on, lot of hosts worldwide, etc.), I think there's no way for G00gle to list those sites alltogether. So things would seem not so unnatural from big G's eyes.

    On the other hand, you also see "the same exact 85 sites" linked from the same 40 blogs. Again, that is because you are on the secret. It the owner of that linking service mixes those paid links with a ton of others (randomly made, free ones), chances are that your links will fly under the radar.

    Anyway, I agree that both link buyer and link supplier should be extra careful people for this to work on long term.
     
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    most private homepage providers have more than the advertised number. so that they can alternate randomly which blog will receive the links.
     
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    In theory they should but de facto I dont they do. As a matter of fact I think most blog network owners do state more class-C IPs than they really own as this is their major cost (SEO Hosting charges $3 per IP). Having e.g. 500 IPs means paying a fixed $1500 per month just for hosting.