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Are you black hat in the real world?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by orlandolongwood, Feb 4, 2012.

  1. orlandolongwood

    orlandolongwood Junior Member

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    So do you approach life with a black hat attitude? I've decided that my outside and online world really need to mesh. I really think "black hat real world" is a necessary attitude to being black hat in the online world. For example, a real estate agent did something incredibly stupid in canvasing our neighborhood - now he is fixing our rain gutters because he stupidly took a photo of our house and posted it without our permission.

    Real world black hat includes - find a wallet, pocket the cash. Clip coupons you know are invalid because you know the checkout clerk has been told not to argue with customers. Take back damaged merchandise you know was fine when you picked it up. Throw some stop-leak in the engine before selling the car. Give the girl a fake address AND fake phone.

    What real-world blackhat do you do, and is anything off limits?
     
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    I think you're getting the idea of "black hat" wrong.

    Black hat =/= immoral or being an asshole
     
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  3. orlandolongwood

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    That's why I am asking the question. Violate a site T&C by spamming it with forum profile gunk is okay, not correcting the dufus at the BK checkout because she can't do the math is not okay.
     
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    One is done to make money, the other is just being an asshole.
     
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    These examples are just being an asshole and wasting others' time - and some would even be considered immoral. They can hardly be compared to spamming forum profiles and blog comments especially if there are no restrictions against posting such comments/profiles.
     
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    I'd have to say that I disagree with your definition of what would be black-hat in the "real world". It doesn't have to be theft and dishonesty.

    My list includes:
    - Never settling for the way someone else shows me how to do something
    - Always looking for quicker, more efficient ways to do everything
    - Always looking out for new approaches to current problems, and current problems that need new approaches
    - Always doing what is necessary in any situation
    - Understanding and exploiting loopholes when necessary

    That's a start.

    I think it's better to think of ourselves as adept, creative businesspeople rather than petty thieves and cheats.

     
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    I think I am sort of 'black hat' offline, but not to the extent of hurting others or scamming people. For example...it would be possible for me to cheat in a game of poker if I could a few years back, if you'd call that black hat. But now even doing that is just stealing money basically and scamming people.

    Can't think of anything at the moment that I would do that is black hat...but I am not a perfect guy, and will break some rules
     
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    I think everyone jumps on opportunity when they can...nice job on the gutters! That's a great example!

    Most people stay within the law, but luckily there are dozens of things people do that blur the edge...buying gold from desperate people to melt and resell, people reselling $5 seo services for $200 a month, etc
     
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    A great analogy - I was obviously taking an extreme attitude on purpose. I had to refuse someone yesterday who wanted to do some serious spamming and I could not really articulate why other than "that's fucked up." But yet there is a huge list of WSOs people can download without paying for every day here. There are exploits, site violations, and intellectual property violations by the score. Interested in where other people pull out the chalk and draw their line, and why?
     
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    In the UK, that's called being a Dick...
     
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    Okay, but which is which? The site may be run by nuns (don't laugh, true story) and the BK franchise run by a multimillionaire. So which is to make money, and which is 'being an asshole'?
     
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    I worked in London. I believe the other term was 'punter' correct :)
     
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    If you need to spam a nun's website (that's beyond ridiculous btw) to put bread on the table then that's what you need to do... If you need to act like a condescending douchebag to the poor girl working the drive thru, just to make yourself feel like a big shot, then you are an asshole. Get it?
     
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    This thread gave me a headache :pat: it makes little to no sense at all.
     
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    EXCELLENT - actually I've had to clean up the nun's website twice (for free). I just want to make sure, that if the poor girl is publishing a WSO on local map leveraging we can bend her over and take a number, if she's assembling heart attacks in a bun to pay for her Disney trip then hands off.

    There is a point to this - I personally have a real Robin Hood attitude. I buy the homeless guy at the I-X interchange lunch, and don't concern myself with my Adobe licenses. I get pissed at anyone leaving less than a 20% tip, but have no recollection of the person who dinged the BMW parked next to me in the parking lot officer.

    Its just a fascinating place to be, relativism . . . I had a desperate plea re: marketing directed to my other persona wo does web and securityu consulting,from someone who had invested a lot of time in a quality training product just to be hacked. Its now being redist outside of her control.
     
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    This.
    OP, you're a real life loser.
     
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    I thought it was 'tosser'? Really need to brush up on my foreign languages. :confused:
     
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    Sounds like IMers are living in the Matrix as compared to the "real world" or is it the other way around? Sticking it to Googliath is not the same as sticking it to someone outside the Matrix IMHO.
     
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    Here's some things that I do that are "black hat" in real life but not really immoral or illegal:

    My husband loves this frozen taco product but his favorite flavor never has a coupon so I take the coupon off the neighboring box and use it. The coupon is good for my husband's product, they just never put the coupon on his.

    I live on a one way street but I live at the end, next to an intersection with a regular street. I back into my street and into my driveway. (This one might be illegal.)

    That's all I can think of. This could have been a fun thread if the examples in the OP were a little more reasonable.
     
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  20. J0hnny

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    Ye, thug life 4 ever... lol. There's just some things you can't do. I guess you can have a "grey hat" mindset in real life, and still get what you want.
     
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