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Are you about to buy your first links? Fucking STOP!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Ste Fishkin, May 1, 2017.

  1. Ste Fishkin

    Ste Fishkin BANNED BANNED Jr. VIP

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    BHW has a wonderful marketplace, full of great sellers who offer great products for all price levels.

    But buying links is less than 10% of the game. I see too many noobs like @tunescool who have put in the effort of building a website, to then go and waste $$$ on links they are not ready for or don't actually need. If you're about to buy your first links (first links ever or first links to your brand new website) you should probably take a look at this quick guide.

    Links increase risk

    Google does not like people buying links, in their eyes it's "cheating".

    If you read their https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/66356 they define this as breaking their "rules":
    "Any links intended to manipulate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank or a site's ranking in Google search results may be considered part of a link scheme and a violation of Google’s https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35769."

    Technically, this could be anything. If you left a blog comment purely for the link, you broke their rules. If you asked a friend to link to you, you broke their rules. If you paid $500 for a HuffPo article, bitch you broke their rules again. They don't actually differentiate between any of these things. Really if you take it super literally, any real off page SEO or outreach is blackhat and you're risking it, although in the real world the chance of you getting caught is slim to nothing.

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    What the fuck does this mean?
    Basically if you break their webmaster guidelines and get caught they will penalise your website. If you're new to SEO this means your brand new website you just spent 3 months building will probably never rank above page 30 and you've just wasted your time and money. It sucks but that's the way it is.

    Not all penalties result in this, if you get a penalty for something such as thin content this can be fixed very easily (you just add more content and ask google to recrawl). But the issue with link building penalties is you're going to have a hard time fixing things. If you buy the wrong product it's probably better to just start again on a fresh domain. Doing all the work to fix a bad link profile and waiting for Google to fix things can take months... Unless it's an important domain which is tied to a brand or business don't bother.

    The more links you buy, the more risk you're at and the more money you have spent. SEO is not a game of buying all the shit you can afford and getting results, it takes work. If all it took was $1000 of PBN links to rank for things we would all be doing it. Think things through and plan before you act, you will save a lot of money and limit your risk.

    Are you in the right niche?
    If we take the @tunescool example he's made it public knowledge that his niche is entertainment (specifically websites about a pair of celebrities).

    The issue with this is he's going to be competing with the likes of TMZ, MTV, 100's of fan blogs, national press, wikipedia, social profiles... You have to be honest with yourself. These are organisations you're never ever going to compete with. You're completely wasting your time, you don't have their budget or resources and they have one hell of a head start on you.

    Buying links in a space you're never ever going to rank for is a waste of time, money and effort. If I was him I personally would be looking at social media tools or other ways to drive traffic, https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/marketplace-pbn-service-or-otherwise.929747/ because SEO is just not going to work in this niche.

    Do competitor research
    If you find that the people ranking above you are highly authoritative websites you're probably going to struggle.

    If you're trying to rank your amazon review websites and you see that walmart are ranking for a category page for the exact keyword you're targeting, find a new keyword. Writing a new review page targeting a lower competition keyword will be a lot cheaper and quicker than spending $$$$ on links trying to beat them.

    If you're targeting a keyword that has sites already ranking with minimal links this is a great sign. Tools such as Long Tail Pro and KWFinder.com are excellent for finding ideal keywords to target like this or sellers such as @BassTrackerBoats will sell you great keywords for a great price if you're looking for a new project.

    Is your website the best?
    Ask yourself what Google want. Their mission is ultimately very simple...

    They want to rank the best website that answers a users query #1 every time.


    I think that a lot of people forget this. Look honestly at your website and your competitors, is your content as good? Does it answer the question effectively? Does it look as good? Is it as easy to use as your competitors? Is it faster than your competitors?

    If your website is not the best you should not be buying links, you should be fixing your shit. Make it the best and see what happens, you might have just saved some $$$ on links and have a higher converting web page for all your effort.

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    On page SEO is free, and way more effective
    Tying into the previous point, what is your on page like?

    If you're on page is a disaster you're going to have issues and there are lots of tools available to help with this. SEMRush offer a great on page analysis report, Moz do also. If you're website has basic errors you might want to address these before dropping money on links.

    On page SEO is free, it's risk free (unless you're a retard) and the effects can be seen much more quickly than buying links. If can you can make improvements before spending money you should do it, it could be as simple as installing yoast and optimising meta tags and you could jump in traffic for very little effort.

    The other advantage to this is you will also learn more about SEO. If you think this is a game of who has the most links wins you're so so so wrong.

    Are you just trying to cut corners?
    Finally, are you just trying to rank quicker or do you actually think these links you're about to buy will help?

    If all we had to do was spend a few 1000 on links and rank #1 for whatever we want don't you think we would all be doing that?

    If you're expecting to spend $500 on PBN links and make $2000 next month because you're ranking #1 for "where can I sell my sex tape" you're an idiot.

    It just does not work that way and the sooner you realise that the less money you will waste and the quicker you will find methods that work. There is no substitute for hard work, if you think there is then you're in the wrong game.

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  2. rafark

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    I agree with other users that apart from trolling, you do post really nice stuff, Ste!

    Although I'll have to disagree in the part about competition. With enough budget and planning you can compete with the big boys for a decent piece of cake. Just don't expect to do it by buying $5 fiverr gigs. It can get hard as f#ck but not impossible at all. Don't cut their wings, specially in Internet businesses, where every Jhon Doe has a chance.
     
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    but sir me spended $3 for private bloog link guarantee #1 rank and it work 100% legit see i rank google

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    Great write-up! Thanks for the share! :)
     
  5. Setox

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    S*** , I really Need to read that , Thanks for the info .

    There are Levels on competition, and some Levels Cannot be reached by someone who just want to make his/her 1st $ Online .
    Like the example that the OP provided .
     
  6. Ste Fishkin

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    This was aimed at noobs.

    If you're at the level of taking on these guys then you already know what you need to do before you buy links.

    Also, you can get better ROI and quicker results with better keyword research than competing with mega corporations.

    Unless you have a team of solid people and/or a specific reason to rank for something hard I wouldn't bother.
     
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    Ok I get what you both are saying now, but still, I don't agree that you'll never ever by any means be able to compete with the biggest brands. If you want the higest returns you should be investing in the long term.
     
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    Yeah I see that now.
     
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    This is very very true. Most of the time you're better off investing in to keyword research rather then investing in links to try and rank for keywords that you stand no chance to rank for.

    Unfortunately, I see a lot of SEO providers nowadays selling dreams rather then realistic expectations.
     
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    The Op said that you need Budget & resources, and I said that someone who just looking for easy $ online with SEO won't go so far by Competing with the big names, he need budget & resources again .
    Black Horses Do exist in SEO too .
     
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    I agree with OP, I don't spent much money to buy links, just buy a few links to let Google Crawlers visit your website. Then what to do next is depend on your own situation and budget. I don't buy any service in BHW, I am afraid that they are just sell some $5 links from fiverr to you at $150-700. We have the same problem is we invest money to rank our website in Google, but Google will ban you very soon. They rule the game, we invest our money in the air, we should remember that.
     
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    I guess we do agree then.
     
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    I am strongly subscribing to the "Onpage SEO" and "Cutting corners" part.

    Most people believe that difference between 2nd page and 1st page is more backlinks. Often it's shit onsite SEO and terrible anchors.

    Someone should btw really write something on anchor percentages, because whenever I see thread about someone screwing up his site, 90% of the time it's the anchor percentages. "Seller told me to use exact match for more power, now i have it at 25%, why is that bad?" etc.
     
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  14. VinceC

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    Sum it up, do not buy links or any Seo packages from bhw.
     
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    do not buy links or any Seo packages from bhw ??
     
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    If you are awesome at seo and have your own VAs then you could argue, there's no need to do so.

    There are seo service and there are SEO services, both on here and away from BHW.
    Do your own research first and foremost.


    I had someone message me on FB the other day wanting to rank a site and told me his budget was $2-3K
    Then he casually added the fact this budget was to spend over the year.
     
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    Yeah.. they buy $5 on fiverr and sell on BHW for $250
     
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    i loled at "On page SEO is free, it's risk free (unless you're a retard)"

    oh btw the "big boys" sometimes rank because theres nobody else to put there for.

    so they(wikipedia) rank for Diablo game so somehow appear for Diablo hack because there were no diablo hacks at the moment! so its nothing to be scared off.

    you may have less authority but way way way more relevance to diablo hack which is other kw than Diablo
     
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    no one will easily link to you even if you have 2000+ words with awesome topic, that's the fact.
    content promoting in social media and hope people link to you, sure..people will see your post, will they share or link it? maybe 2 out of 1000.

    paid for link still one way to promote your content/site. although based on my experience, pbn with high metric but without traffic will not help.

    i recently had some link building done on certain post, and i purchased pbn and link to it, movement on the serp is constantly random, up and down, sometime dissapeared. later on i try puchase ($150 for this one link..) from authority site with traffic alexa below 100k (semrush 500+ organic) and medium metric da 20-30, majestic trust flow 20+ then my keyword serp had been stay at page 2 and movement is steady. still going up every month. never drop for few months.

    use semrush to check if the site is getting organic traffic or any traffic. alexa might not accurate.
     
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    But the sales thread says I will be on page one of Google for $2.99.
     
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