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Are wordtracker results reliable??????

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by butlimous, Jan 27, 2009.

  1. butlimous

    butlimous Regular Member

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    Hi BHWs, from your experience, do you think number of searches for a certain keyword using Wordtracker free keyword tool accurate?? I know that the fu** Adwords Keyword tool is not accurate at all becase I have done SEO fir a keyword that Google says 500,000 monthly searches and when i got the top position, I found myself getting just 80-90 daily visitors :( Wordtracker on the other side showed me 63 daily searches which is pretty good..so do u think it is reliable???
     
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    bananahands Regular Member

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    That's strange I've always relied on google's keyword tool for being reliable...there goes that.

    I believe Wordtracker search results come from dogpile.com so that SE gets much less traffic than google. I usually search in both and compare the two and if I'm still uneasy search in SEObook.
     
  3. 195471

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    G's keyword tool is probably accurate, but what many people don't consider is the fact that not all of the searches are done by consumers. Tons of searches on competitive keywords are done by marketers who are doing niche research and by those who are just checking their rankings. If everybody used the AdW0rds Preview T00l (which doesn't count any of the searches toward the monthly search volume) to check rankings instead of G itself, then the G keyword tool would more accurately reflect the numbers of "legitimate" searches.

    As for WT, sometimes the results closely match the actual number of visitors that you get for a keyword (assuming that you rank highly for it), while other times it's way off. What I sometimes do is take my list of keywords from WT and plug it into G's Traffic Estimat0r. Yes, this tool is meant for estimating AdW0rds traffic. However, it can be used to gauge how much traffic you might get if you rank in the top 10 for the keywords in question.

    For example, you might find a keyword in WT that shows 100 daily searches, but the TE might show that you'd get only 2 clicks per day in ad positions 1-3. Since position 1 in particular tends to get the most clicks, this result implies that there just isn't that much traffic available in G for that keyword.

    If, on the other hand, you find a keyword that gets a lot of clicks per day, then you're likely to get even more traffic if ranked #1 for that keyword. Even if you're not using AdW0rds, the AdW0rds tools can be helpful for guiding your SEO projects.

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    AdWords Keyword Tool
    https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal
    
    AdWords Traffic Estimator
    https://adwords.google.com/select/TrafficEstimatorSandbox
    
    AdWords Preview
    https://adwords.google.com/select/AdTargetingPreviewTool
    
    Wordtracker
    http://freekeywords.wordtracker.com/
     
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  4. butlimous

    butlimous Regular Member

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    I tried the traffic estimator with the same keyword I'm already ranked the top position for and it estimates me: 600+ clicks per day and Google analytics shows me just 60 visitors yesterday :confused: The Adwords keyword tool shows me: 823,000 last month searches and wordtracker shows me 31 daily searches...FUCK GOOGLE :disappoin I really don't know which keywords should I get ranked for..no tool seems to be accurate
     
  5. thedocmillionaire

    thedocmillionaire Junior Member

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    Hi,

    For me WT has always been the most accuracy tool. My opinion is to divide the WT results by 4 to get the appropriate number. By example, if Wt says a keyword will have 1000 search a day, you will probably get 200 to 300 if you are on the first page. It's acceptable.

    I tried Google trends and for a keyword it says I will get 1800 results for number one. i have been number 2 and get 200 results.

    We must also consider the fact that the number one keyword take the main part of the spot. It's better to be number one for a keyword with 200 search a day than number five for a keyword with 1000 search a day.

    It's also necessary to consider what I call "Bad or non sense" keywords. Even if you have 1000 search a day, you may be no 1 and get 0 search.

    Just from my own experience.

    Ju
     
  6. woodstuck

    woodstuck Junior Member

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    WordTracker is good, I use it myself.

    The thing to remember is that ALL of the KW research tools I am aware of can be misleading...

    They are not lying, they are tracking different things sometimes... regardless of which KW tools you use, remember this;

    These are searches, millions of searches take place for research and checking rankings and, and, and...

    Whatever tool you use - Take the number you get and cut it in half (at least) - Also, do not believe it when you try a KW phrase and it shows no searches... This is not accurate either. I get great conversions on long tailed keywords that all of my research showed NO (or zero) searches for those phrases??? Yet every single day I get visitors from an engine that looked up that phrase to find me.
     
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    195471 Regular Member

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    Good idea. Something I forgot to mention in my earlier post is that when using the AdW0rds keyword tool, make sure the Match Type is set to "Exact" (Broad is the default). Then cut the exact-match numbers in half and see what you get. :)

    Agreed. This has happened to me as well.
     
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    acp0rnstar Junior Member

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    I've always had good luck with word tracker but as wood stock said, not great for long tail results. at least in my experience.
     
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    I find that word tracker is a good starting base, and like acp0rnstar mentioned it's not so good for long tail.
     
  10. phatman96

    phatman96 Newbie

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    I recommend keyword discover vs wordtracker... but they are both pretty good.... you can also use seo keyword tool to compare... but google keyword tool is not extremely reliable unless u are doing adwords.
     
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    dangregory Registered Member

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    Keep in mind too that if you're targeting buyer oriented keywords - where the person isn't just searching for informatio, they're actively looking to buy something - that even if you're not getting a huge amount of visitors from a keyphrase the sales conversions can be fantastic. Buyer oriented keyphrases are where someone is looking for a product name, product type, and/or using phrases like "buy X online" "where can i purchase X online."

    I have a buyer oriented site right now that has little content on it, and I haven't built many backlinks to it yet. I'm a little disapponted about its traffic numbers because this is a niche with next to zero competition and the keyword research I did led me to believe that I'd be easily pulling in good amounts of visitors daily since the competition is so lame. I'm only getting about 1 - 5 visits per day.

    HOWEVER....because I only target buyer oriented keyphrases, I'm getting ridiculously high conversions. One person making two to three purchases. So I might only get three visits in one day but make as many as nine sales from just that small amount of traffic.

    So keep in mind if you're selling products that are popular you can get around the whole keyword research problems (stop worrying about having to have tons of visitors) as long as the visitors you DO get are primed to buy.

    It's a little like the Niche Marketing on Crack technique taught by Andrew Hansen - I put my own spin on his stuff but his basic ideas are stellar.

    Dan
     
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